Actually id make the argument the PS3 and the cell and sonys original "vision" was the thing holding back progress this gen more than anything. The 360 quality compared to PS3 quality is pretty moot, maybe a slight advantage to thus far, exclusive PS3 games, but its really quite negligible and hasnt made for CLEARLY better games, so its still subjective.

In the end the processing power of the PS3 has been great for UC2 or MGS4, but if they were 360 exclusives from the same devs, where real quality is made not from consoles from devs, then the differences would be completely negligible.

HUH? WOW, so much fail in your post, Im lying? Crytek said PS3 will look slightly better case closed.

The 360 is Not leap frogging anything God of war 3 only widens the gap. Explain HOW it is leapfrogging the PS3, when the PS3 has the best looking games this gen , and Crysis 2 will look a little better on PS3? PS3 cab handle shading as well as 360, sorry, wrong again.

The best looking games turn up on PS3 because it has the most power, multi-plats look the same mainly with some small differences, thansk for making my point for me.  360 caould not Do Final fantasy as well, not handle UC2, GOW 3, or KZ2 with comprmises. There is a reason the best looking games dont show up elsewhere, the 360 cant match it.

The best looking engines, Unreal 3 look identical on PS3. Actually, the best looking engines except Crysis which is PC.

Please post links that show any of those engines, manym of ehich are not out run betetr on 360? Especially when CRYTEk said Cryengine 3 runs better on PS3? Post proof, not the ramblings of a 360 fanboy. Not one link proviing your claims.

I am still asking, how will 360 leap frgo PS3, when Crysis 2 will look better on PS3, and PS3 has the top 3-4 looking games?  Crytek have stated since day 1 they were impressed with the PS3 tech, never said the same thing about the rrod box.

If developers had to make games without compromise, the 360 would be left in the dust like in Final Fantasy 13, see, there is proof in what i say, just mindless lies by you.

many devs have had to scale back the PC and PS3 versions due to limitatiosn of the 360, like storage issues being one common complaint.

You're speaking as if you know the future, I am dealing in facts, which you have none. Seriously how do you know how Crysis 2 will like? The devs already stated facts, that the PS3 version will run better, thats a fact.

The fact that only games on PS3 look as good as they do only prove the point, it's the 360 holding back multi-plat games, when the 360 is out of the questions, developers can tap into all the PS3's resources. Thanks for proving my point.  When 360 is involbved, devs have to code for the lowest common denominator. Except a few, like Square and Final fantasy.

Uncharted 2 is the most shader heavy game out besides Crysis, it happens to look better then anything on 360. Killzone 2 is also very shader heavy.

There is ZERo proof 360 is capable of leapfrogging anything, as time goes on PS3 games look better and better, we are not seeing anything change on that front for 360. OH, some dude knows the future on this forum, LMAO>

@Red: Link?

http://www.gamesthirst.com/2010/02/13/crysis-2-we-didnt-compromise-anything-with-ps3-version-says-crytek/

If he's saying there was no compromises/dumbing down between the PC and PS3 version development, why would this shader argument be relevant? Time will tell.

@Blue: I'd love to see that Xbox 360 that is far ahead of Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2. And no, it's not Alan Wake. If gamersyde said that Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 are competition, then it's simply not.

Of course u believe them, if pinocho tell that u believe him too. The fact its, i love what i see, believe me i gonna buy a 360 for this game (and some others), but please man dont talk BS, u play GOW3 or even AW?

gamersryde is a little known site, not one other CREDIBLE site has said anything of the like, every site is prasing GOW 3 for a reason, its a technical marvel, nothing on the 360 touches it or UC2 or MGS4. 

Too bad they haven't made 3dmark for consoles, it would shut a lot of people up.

Ermm...I'm arguing with him based on his points.

And I'd much rather we have this discussion when both God of War III and Alan Wake release.

And? So am I, read the thread. he has no points, hes making up crap, even saying the opposite of the devs. Hes talking out of his arse.

Everything Sony has shown, while looking nice, doesn't look Crysis 2 nice. Maybe they have something else under wraps, but it's unlikely it'll be Crysis 2 good, let alone Crysis 2 360 good. They don't have the technical talent of Crytek.

If the PS3 was the most powerful, how come none of it's exclusives look as good as Crysis 2? And if by look the same with small differences...well those would be downgrades, no two ways about it.

Uh the PS3 can't do every other game as well. FF's a nice looking game, but for every one of them there's a RE5, Lost Planet 2, Colin McRae Dirt 2, Bayonetta, Fight Night Round 4, Bioshock 2 etcetcetc.

Unlikely, since Crysis 2 set the graphics bar, those PS3 exclusives just don't compare.

Ok.

UE3 -  "In terms of purchasing decisions for those who own both HD consoles, it's fairly self-evident that the Xbox 360 version of BioShock 2 is the one to have: graphics are undoubtedly superior with four times the resolution on transparencies, the frame-rate is undoubtedly smoother, there's no HDD-sapping mandatory installation and control varies from slightly crisper to considerably more responsive, depending on the status of the PS3's frame-rate at any given point."

Frostbite - "Both versions had a lot of screen tearing going on, especially when in a heated conflict, but the Xbox 360 version seemed to handle the chaos a little more effectively. Listed below are the statistics our analysis tool was able to capture."

Capcom Frameworks 1 & 2 - Capcom's Framework MT engine uses some very useful tricks in maintaining image quality. It runs at native 720p, and employs the use of full-on 4x multisampling anti-aliasing on Xbox 360, while using the 2x Quincunx technique on PS3. On a like-for-like basis, this means that the 360 has clearer visuals

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As you might expect, the water is a key element of this particular stage and you'll note that the PS3 version of Resident Evil 5 is flatter and duller, with fewer reflections. The Xbox 360 version on the hand has full world reflections, making this stage in particular rather more attractive than its counterpart on the Sony platform. It's a similar compromise to that seen on the PS3 version of Fallout 3, where once again 360 has more detailed and realistic water reflections.

Also evident is that the Xbox 360 version has more in the way of incidental particle effects and transparent alpha textures (i.e. smoke). For example, in the main video edit you saw how Chris Redfield takes down a speeding lorry that's hurtling towards him. On 360, there are friction-esque sparks and a proper exploding windscreen that you don't see on PS3.

Ego - Both games make a good fist of sustaining 30FPS, but the PS3 code is far more prone to tearing.

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In the case of DiRT 2, the Xbox 360 version gets full-on 4x multi-sampling anti-aliasing (MSAA) whereas the PS3 version uses a 2x quincunx solution. Regular readers will know that the AA solution here is a close match in terms of edge smoothing up against 4x MSAA, but will also know that the downside of this is that the entire texture has detail blurred. It can look good, but it can look pretty atrocious.

Tech 4 - "However, for those that haven't made up their minds, it's fairly easy to say that while both renditions of the game are well worthy of the Eurogamer 9/10 score, the Xbox 360's marginally superior visuals and significantly smoother performance gives it an undoubted edge over the PlayStation 3 game, and this translates directly into a tangibly better gameplay experience."

Tech 5 - "The piece includes confirmation by John Carmack that the Xbox 360 version of the game will run at a brisk 60 frames per second, but that he has found PS3 to be at a disadvantage to Microsoft's console in terms of rendering power. "The PS3 lags a little bit behind in terms of getting the performance out of it," he said."

Cryengine  -  You can surmise that the Xbox 360 version of the engine appears to be ahead in development compared to the PS3 rendition. You draw this conclusion simply from the fact that the majority of shots involving elements that really tax the engine (and thus incur frame loss) are using 360 video.

Scimitar - "So, overall the performance gap has dropped, but if you've got the choice, the Xbox 360 offers a sharper picture, smoother performance, lower levels of screen-tear and faster loading, and it doesn't require PS3's 1.5GB mandatory install either. This is not to say that the 360 version doesn't have its faults, and the fact that the technical issues of its two-year-old predecessor haven't been addressed is probably my biggest disappointment with the game: quite apart from the tearing, the pop-in is sometimes atrocious, even when running from hard disk. It's worth pointing out that in this respect, the PS3 version performs in much the same way."

These "differences" are frankly unnacceptable.

Easy.

Crysis 2 graphics>any ps3 exclusive, by quite a large margin.

Crysis 2 360>Crysis 2 PS3. Doesn't matter how much by.

That must be why they said PS3 nearly compromised bringing Crysis 2 to consoles.

Crysys 2 is not out, no one knows what it looks like, also, that interview he states " Both will look the SAME", can u read? All we have seen are tech demos, so right now, you are full of it. crysis 2 does not look better then GoW 3, nr UC2 on console, so there goes your entire argument.

Not one link uposted said 360 Crysis 2 loks better, those are for older  games< LMAO,

Fight Night rd 4, lost planet looks identical on PS3, wrong again.

Bioshock 2 looks like arse, none of those game u listed loosk as good as:

MGS4

UC2

KZ2

GOW 3

FAIL

Once again, post hwre it is said Crysis 2 will look better, limks have been posted that show CRYSIS 2 will look a littole better on PS#, can u read? Whats your excuse for that?

U listed 2 engines that look SLIGHTLY better on 360, i listed even better ones that loomk better on PS3, whats your point?

I am waitinf for proof crysis 2 will look better on PS3 despite debs saying the opposite, why would crytek lie?

Post a link proving they said PS3 almost caused crysis 2 not coming to consoles? more lies.

I ask again, Crytek stated PS3 will look better, so how is 360 gonna look better? exlain that, you still have not. 360 fanboys are pathetic.