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Do you believe in angels/demons?

Yes 22 26.51%
 
No 50 60.24%
 
I believe in Ron Howard 11 13.25%
 
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ManusJustus said:

I can see this is a lost cause.  If believing in fairy tales was a profession, you'd make a killing...

The source you sited was laughable, from its argument of the 'myth of evolution' to its conclusion on the subject of a flat Earth being John 10:35

I've read a lot on the subject, as both a Christian and then when I became more educated as a skeptic.  The last source I recall reading on this subject, other than the Bible itself, was Robert Wright's "Evolution of God," and I think Freud wrote on it as well.  I'd advise you to seek non-Christian bias writings if you are unable to read the Bible and think independently, and even if you disagree with them it will help you to better forumulate your own opinions.

@Bolded: this sentence tells me that you have nothing to say in the face of a solid rebuttal, save for a few cheap shots.

"Non-Christian bias writings?" Let me guess... there would be no bias if they were written by atheists, right? Every source I've found that supports your position is just a carbon copy of the same exact points you've been proclaiming all along. They're nothing new. Just the same broken, baseless arguments.

So a book written by an agnostic and a vague reference to a psychology quack is the best you can do? As expected.

Fact is, no one takes the "bible-says-the-earth-is-flat" position seriously anymore, because there's no solid evidence for it. Kasz and mrstickball have already tried explaining this to you, and now I'm done trying as well.



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bimmylee said:

So a book written by an agnostic and a vague reference to a psychology quack is the best you can do? As expected.

Fact is, no one takes the "bible-says-the-earth-is-flat" position seriously anymore, because there's no solid evidence for it. Kasz and mrstickball have already tried explaining this to you, and now I'm done trying as well.

The Bibles says the Earth is flat (refer to previously stated Bible verses), you just aren't going to find as much information on the web of educated people who think otherwise wasting their time with myths in comparison to people who have invested their whole lives in these myths.  I stated two sources that I recall reading recently on the subject, and you yourself provided one in that laughable response from TrueOrigins.  Get out and find more, or just read the Bible yourself.  It may be a large book, but it uses language that almost all of us can use.  You say that you have to be a Biblical scholar to understand it, you just have to be a Biblical scholar to make excuses for it. 

What the Bible says itself is as much damning evidence that any rational person would mean.  A small child could deduce that Jesus seeing the entire world from a high mountain means that world must be flat in order for this to occur.  An educated person could deduce that firmament (raqiya in Hebrew, meaning a solid dome above the Earth) means that those who wrote the Bible didn't understand astronomy.  If I tasked a small child with writing a fantasy book today, he wouldn't make the same mistakes from ignorance that the writers of the Bible made.  Why should I believe one ancient book among numerous other mythical ancient books to be true when its writers believed falsehoods that not only contradict our basic understanding, but are considered silly? 

Not only is the Bible primitive in comparison to our understanding of our universe, but it primitive in our understanding of ethics and morality.  In the Bible, God instructed the Hebrews to kill every man, woman, child, and beast in a city he ordered them to attack, and then gave the soldiers permission to rape the virgins.  Though these actions may have been accepted thousands of years ago, today's society consider such actions as horrible.

So I ask you, why should I, you, or anyone believe an ancient book that is both out of date scientificially and out of date morally as the absolute truth of the origins and fate of the universe?  You should atleast understand why I, and increasingly so many other people, cannot accept such things.



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