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Computerworld - A home electronics retail store has filed a class-action lawsuit against Sony Corp., Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., Toshiba Corp., LG Electronics Inc., Hitachi Ltd. and several subsidiaries, accusing the electronics manufacturers of colluding to fix prices in the U.S. optical disc drive (ODD) market.

The lawsuit, filed Wednesday, also claims the disc drive manufacturers used trade organization forums to meet and discuss agreements to keep prices of CD, DVD and Blu-ray drives in products like the Sony PlayStation 3 and PCs artificially high.

"When the price of ODD began to dip, the Defendants entered into an illegal agreement to prevent competitors from entering into the market and to keep prices at a supracompetitive level," the lawsuit states.

Prisco Electric Co. Inc. filed its 31-page complaint in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California. In it, Prisco calls the companies co-conspirators in attempts to "fix, raise, maintain and stabilize the price of Optical Disk Drive Products sold in the United States."

"The Defendants and their co-conspirators in this case control over 90% of this multibillion dollar a year market," the lawsuit states. "These Defendants have a long history of engaging in anticompetitive conduct, such as Dyanmic Random Access Memory (DRAM), Thin Film Transistor Liquid Crystal Display (TFT-LCD) and Cathode Ray Tube (CRT)."

Prisco did not specify an amount it is seeking, but the store did say it wants triple damages and an injunction against the companies to stop future price fixing activities.

Samsung, which has received subpoenas from the DOJ, said it had "no comment regarding price fixing on optical drives." Officials at Hitachi and Toshiba could not be reached for comment. According to a report in the Wall Street Journal last fall, Hitachi and Toshiba also received subpoenas regarding the probe into ODD price fixing.

An investigation was launched last October by the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) into the market for optical disk drives for anticompetitive conduct. The DOJ subpoenaed Sony Optiarc America, which at the time said it intended to cooperate fully with the DOJ and other agencies in this inquiry."

According to one published report, the investigations goes well beyond just Sony, and involves other electronics manufacturers.

In its complaint, Prisco, a retailer located in East Haven, Conn., said that the conspiracy to fix prices began at least as early as Oct. 1, 2005 and is continuing.

Rick Saveri, a partner in the San Francisco law firm of Saveri & Saveri, which is representing Prisco, said price fixing "cartels" are common in Asia and that it has become a cyclical practice to keep new technology prices high until older technologies can be phased out.

Saveri & Saveri is also lead counsel in several other price fixing lawsuits against Samsung and other electronics manufacturers involving DRAM, SRAM, flash memory and LCD displays.

"These are big Asian smoke-stack industries where they're investing in big fabrication plants. You can't have a technology destroy the business," Saveri said. "If you fire up a big fab plant with CRT tubes, and the next generation technology destroys it, then you have a big fab plant manufacturing buggy whips.

"So they have to make sure the price points for these [newer] technologies ... don't destroy existing markets," he added. "Price fixing always occurs when there's pressure on markets and prices are falling. You've got to prevent the falling market."

Savari said one civil litigation investigation case led to another as witnesses came forward. So the DRAM litigation lead to the SRAM litigation, which opened up into the flash memory litigation, "which we're the lead counsel on," he said.

Saveri said five or six other smaller retail stores have filed similar lawsuits over optical drive technology; he expects the number of plaintiffs in the case to grow.

"It's so predictable how these new technologies always roll out on a six-month window. You can almost set your clock to it. It's the way they operate," Savari said.

The suit includes Sony Optiarc America Inc., Sony NEC Optiarc Inc., Hitachi-LG Data Storage and Toshiba Samsung Storage Technology Corp.



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well, I know they were price fixing the Blu-ray drives for a while. They refused to let the cheapo Chinese manufacturers make and sell their own models.

The only thing I can't figure out, is why are these small retailers complaining instead of people who actually want to make a drive for cheap and sell it. My only guess is that they are stocking $60-80 DVD drives and people don't want to pay for it they want something cheaper.




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So Sony is intentionally losing millions in order to keep the price up?



theprof00 said:
So Sony is intentionally losing millions in order to keep the price up?

Isnt it obvious M$  money hatted them



Garnett said:
theprof00 said:
So Sony is intentionally losing millions in order to keep the price up?

Isnt it obvious M$  money hatted them

Man, when it comes to thinking things through logically, M$ has done a great job of making everything incredibly hard to understand.



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corps price fixing whatever next,

good luck to the little man against that lot



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lol. this, like usual, will be laughed out of court.



this doesnt make sense to me. so they want newer technology prices to be high just so that old technology can sell? whats bad about that? why do these retailers need to sue? when the prices of old technology drops thats when people buy it (ps3). those who can afford the expensive technology will buy it those who cant will buy the inferior, previous version which the company will still make profit.

so im guessing the lawsuit is based around on these big manufacturers telling other companies they want this and that (new technology) sold at that price till their old technology is sold out? that i understand as price fixing



nordlead said:
well, I know they were price fixing the Blu-ray drives for a while. They refused to let the cheapo Chinese manufacturers make and sell their own models.

The only thing I can't figure out, is why are these small retailers complaining instead of people who actually want to make a drive for cheap and sell it. My only guess is that they are stocking $60-80 DVD drives and people don't want to pay for it they want something cheaper.

That had nothing to do with price fixing and everything to do with standards of manufacturing. There were and are certain requirements that grow and voted upon through the BDA including profile views 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3. This includes BonusVIew and BD Live. These standards were rolled out and the BDA, which is actually mor ePanasonic if im not mistaken then Sony, but the entire BDA vote son regulations to use they Blu-ray Disc image and brand.

The "cheapo" chinese manufacturers would have put out lossy audio, players with no profile views and they were th eone who refused to play by the standards set by the BDA not the other way around.



steverhcp02 said:
nordlead said:
well, I know they were price fixing the Blu-ray drives for a while. They refused to let the cheapo Chinese manufacturers make and sell their own models.

The only thing I can't figure out, is why are these small retailers complaining instead of people who actually want to make a drive for cheap and sell it. My only guess is that they are stocking $60-80 DVD drives and people don't want to pay for it they want something cheaper.

That had nothing to do with price fixing and everything to do with standards of manufacturing. There were and are certain requirements that grow and voted upon through the BDA including profile views 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3. This includes BonusVIew and BD Live. These standards were rolled out and the BDA, which is actually mor ePanasonic if im not mistaken then Sony, but the entire BDA vote son regulations to use they Blu-ray Disc image and brand.

The "cheapo" chinese manufacturers would have put out lossy audio, players with no profile views and they were th eone who refused to play by the standards set by the BDA not the other way around.

you mean price fixing. They were putting out blu-ray players at the time that had no extra memory so they couldn't even use those features. All they had to do was say impliment everything but instead they said no cause we don't think you'll do it. At the time they didn't even allow Vizio to make blu-ray players and they make some of the best equipment but undercut the other guys buy quite a bit. Besides, they finally did allow the liscense so obviously it wasn't that big a deal, but the held out to keep prices high.

You can defend them all you want, but the BDA is in no way a good group of people. They rushed their crap onto the market so they could compete with HD-DVD then put out 1.2 & 1.3 so people would have to upgrade if they bought a 1.1 player that didn't have a powerful enough processor. The only reason I bought a blu-ray player was because they killed HDDVD.




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