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halogamer1989 on 25 February 2010

@PSRock: you think ppl even care that some idiot gansta wannabe started some crap on the plane during the Olympics? No. They care about substance and results. Romney delivers.



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Kasz216 on 25 February 2010
adriane23 said:
Kasz216 said:
adriane23 said:
Kasz216 said:
adriane23 said:
Alright, this was 25% substantive discussion and 75% complaining, repetition, and sound bites. Oh well Obama, at least you tried.....

To pass something around 75% of America is against.

Using your calculation, lets say 75% of Americans (The ones that don't care) have decent health insurance and 25% (The ones that care) don't have insurance. That's a lot of people without insurance because a small percentage of alot is still alot. If the 25% that don't have insurance develop a chronic disease/ailment that is too expensive to pay for treatment out of pocket, they go to the ER when their medical condition gets life threatening. They now have a medical bill that they can't afford and is much higher than what it would've been if they had health insurance to pay a portion of the cost to treat their initial symptoms before they progressed. The unpaid medical bills create a burden on the hospital and the hospital is forced to increase fees and cut back on care and labor, ultimately decreasing the quality of healthcare for anyone that isn't wealthy.

A) It's not my calculation. It's poll numbers. B) It doesn't break down like that. Most of those people are actually against a bill that forces them to get healthcare or pay giant fines believe it or not.

A) My bad, let me re-phrase it then, "to use the calculation you posted on here."

 

B) You mean to say most of those people are against a bill they THINK forces them to get healthcare or pay giant fines....


Your missing the point... many of the 75% who don't care... are actually poor people who see the Obama plan for what it is... a bad plan that will make things worse. The people supporting it are mostly people who have NO IDEA what being poor is or what being without health insurance is about. It's beng pushed by well meaning ignorant people who are proposing a plan that will only make things worse for everybody across the board.

psrock on 25 February 2010
psrock said:
halogamer1989 said:
psrock said:
halogamer1989 said:
@PSRock Mitt Romney or John Thune

Good luck with that.

As bad as Obama is supposingly doing, he's still more popular than any of these guys. The most popular Republican is a retard who writes notes in hands, knows nothing about reality and seriously needs to shut the fuck up. The Republican party need a leader, someone sane, I havent seen that person yet.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html +2.3 on the disapproval.  If the election were held today OH, FL, VA, NC, and the MW states the Ferengi won would turn red.  Romney has a 39/24 spread with wide margins of indies going GOP.  Palin is not the most popular with ~50+% of GOP support against her.

Romney, the guy fighting on the plane, will NEVER be president of the United States.

Think about it for one second

Obama according to you guys is horrible as a president, needs to be impeached, country in bad debt, bad economy, done nothing, pushing health care on people while no one wants it, he needs to be replaced.

47.8 approval rating.

 



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Kasz216 on 25 February 2010

Romney won't beat Obama... being a mormon is a bigger handicap to being elected then being black.

You may as well believe in thor god of thunder. Nobody takes mormons seriously.



halogamer1989 on 25 February 2010
psrock said:
psrock said:
halogamer1989 said:
psrock said:
halogamer1989 said:
@PSRock Mitt Romney or John Thune

Good luck with that.

As bad as Obama is supposingly doing, he's still more popular than any of these guys. The most popular Republican is a retard who writes notes in hands, knows nothing about reality and seriously needs to shut the fuck up. The Republican party need a leader, someone sane, I havent seen that person yet.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html +2.3 on the disapproval.  If the election were held today OH, FL, VA, NC, and the MW states the Ferengi won would turn red.  Romney has a 39/24 spread with wide margins of indies going GOP.  Palin is not the most popular with ~50+% of GOP support against her.

Romney, the guy fighting on the plane, will NEVER be president of the United States.

Think about it for one second

Obama according to you guys is horrible as a president, needs to be impeached, country in bad debt, bad economy, done nothing, pushing health care on people while no one wants it, he needs to be replaced.

47.8 approval rating.

 

52.9% 2008 returns.  The One would lose with 47.8% without some akin to a 1992 plurality.



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SciFiBoy on 25 February 2010
Kasz216 said:
adriane23 said:
Kasz216 said:
adriane23 said:
Kasz216 said:
adriane23 said:
Alright, this was 25% substantive discussion and 75% complaining, repetition, and sound bites. Oh well Obama, at least you tried.....

To pass something around 75% of America is against.

Using your calculation, lets say 75% of Americans (The ones that don't care) have decent health insurance and 25% (The ones that care) don't have insurance. That's a lot of people without insurance because a small percentage of alot is still alot. If the 25% that don't have insurance develop a chronic disease/ailment that is too expensive to pay for treatment out of pocket, they go to the ER when their medical condition gets life threatening. They now have a medical bill that they can't afford and is much higher than what it would've been if they had health insurance to pay a portion of the cost to treat their initial symptoms before they progressed. The unpaid medical bills create a burden on the hospital and the hospital is forced to increase fees and cut back on care and labor, ultimately decreasing the quality of healthcare for anyone that isn't wealthy.

A) It's not my calculation. It's poll numbers. B) It doesn't break down like that. Most of those people are actually against a bill that forces them to get healthcare or pay giant fines believe it or not.

A) My bad, let me re-phrase it then, "to use the calculation you posted on here."

 

B) You mean to say most of those people are against a bill they THINK forces them to get healthcare or pay giant fines....

Your missing the point... many of the 75% who don't care... are actually poor people who see the Obama plan for what it is... a bad plan that will make things worse. The people supporting it are mostly people who have NO IDEA what being poor is or what being without health insurance is about. It's beng pushed by well meaning ignorant people who are proposing a plan that will only make things worse for everybody across the board.

I think I get it, youre saying that even if people are in favour of socialised healthcare, the current bill proposal wont work for them?

you need to elaborate on that a bit more, what is wrong with this bill from the POV of someone who wants socialised healthcare?



psrock on 25 February 2010
halogamer1989 said:
psrock said:
psrock said:
halogamer1989 said:
psrock said:
halogamer1989 said:
@PSRock Mitt Romney or John Thune

Good luck with that.

As bad as Obama is supposingly doing, he's still more popular than any of these guys. The most popular Republican is a retard who writes notes in hands, knows nothing about reality and seriously needs to shut the fuck up. The Republican party need a leader, someone sane, I havent seen that person yet.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html +2.3 on the disapproval.  If the election were held today OH, FL, VA, NC, and the MW states the Ferengi won would turn red.  Romney has a 39/24 spread with wide margins of indies going GOP.  Palin is not the most popular with ~50+% of GOP support against her.

Romney, the guy fighting on the plane, will NEVER be president of the United States.

Think about it for one second

Obama according to you guys is horrible as a president, needs to be impeached, country in bad debt, bad economy, done nothing, pushing health care on people while no one wants it, he needs to be replaced.

47.8 approval rating.

 

52.9% 2008 returns.  The One would lose with 47.8% without some akin to a 1992 plurality.

This country goes back and forth, you should know better, go look at Bush before the second terms, he was behind until the election and won. The Republican needs a star and the best they can offer is a retard.



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halogamer1989 on 25 February 2010
psrock said:
halogamer1989 said:
psrock said:
psrock said:
halogamer1989 said:
psrock said:
halogamer1989 said:
@PSRock Mitt Romney or John Thune

Good luck with that.

As bad as Obama is supposingly doing, he's still more popular than any of these guys. The most popular Republican is a retard who writes notes in hands, knows nothing about reality and seriously needs to shut the fuck up. The Republican party need a leader, someone sane, I havent seen that person yet.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html +2.3 on the disapproval.  If the election were held today OH, FL, VA, NC, and the MW states the Ferengi won would turn red.  Romney has a 39/24 spread with wide margins of indies going GOP.  Palin is not the most popular with ~50+% of GOP support against her.

Romney, the guy fighting on the plane, will NEVER be president of the United States.

Think about it for one second

Obama according to you guys is horrible as a president, needs to be impeached, country in bad debt, bad economy, done nothing, pushing health care on people while no one wants it, he needs to be replaced.

47.8 approval rating.

 

52.9% 2008 returns.  The One would lose with 47.8% without some akin to a 1992 plurality.

This country goes back and forth, you should know better, go look at Bush before the second terms, he was behind until the election and won. The Republican needs a star and the best they can offer is a retard.

Ind vote psrock, ind vote.  Once you change that demo's mind, it is hard to change back.  A lot of this is going to be 2010 results.  Right now the GOP wins indies on a 2:1+ margin.  They will vote the same way in 2012 if anti-incumbent fever continues past the midterms (it will).  Btw, I mentioned Romney and Thune.  They are not Palin.  Thune beat inc. Daschle if you'll remember.  Romney won in a deep blue state.



adriane23 on 25 February 2010
Kasz216 said:
adriane23 said:
Kasz216 said:
adriane23 said:
Kasz216 said:
adriane23 said:
Alright, this was 25% substantive discussion and 75% complaining, repetition, and sound bites. Oh well Obama, at least you tried.....

To pass something around 75% of America is against.

Using your calculation, lets say 75% of Americans (The ones that don't care) have decent health insurance and 25% (The ones that care) don't have insurance. That's a lot of people without insurance because a small percentage of alot is still alot. If the 25% that don't have insurance develop a chronic disease/ailment that is too expensive to pay for treatment out of pocket, they go to the ER when their medical condition gets life threatening. They now have a medical bill that they can't afford and is much higher than what it would've been if they had health insurance to pay a portion of the cost to treat their initial symptoms before they progressed. The unpaid medical bills create a burden on the hospital and the hospital is forced to increase fees and cut back on care and labor, ultimately decreasing the quality of healthcare for anyone that isn't wealthy.

A) It's not my calculation. It's poll numbers. B) It doesn't break down like that. Most of those people are actually against a bill that forces them to get healthcare or pay giant fines believe it or not.

A) My bad, let me re-phrase it then, "to use the calculation you posted on here."

 

B) You mean to say most of those people are against a bill they THINK forces them to get healthcare or pay giant fines....

Your missing the point... many of the 75% who don't care... are actually poor people who see the Obama plan for what it is... a bad plan that will make things worse. The people supporting it are mostly people who have NO IDEA what being poor is or what being without health insurance is about. It's beng pushed by well meaning ignorant people who are proposing a plan that will only make things worse for everybody across the board.

Do they really? I grew up poor and excluding the people I work with, 90% of the people I know are under the national poverty level. I don't know anyone that's poor and disagrees with healthcare reform. My uncle has to skip Chemo treatments because he can't always afford the doctor visit because he has shitty health insurance. Most of my coworkers are upper middle class and the majority of them diagree with healthcare reform.



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psrock on 25 February 2010
halogamer1989 said:
psrock said:
halogamer1989 said:
psrock said:
psrock said:
halogamer1989 said:
psrock said:
halogamer1989 said:
@PSRock Mitt Romney or John Thune

Good luck with that.

As bad as Obama is supposingly doing, he's still more popular than any of these guys. The most popular Republican is a retard who writes notes in hands, knows nothing about reality and seriously needs to shut the fuck up. The Republican party need a leader, someone sane, I havent seen that person yet.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html +2.3 on the disapproval.  If the election were held today OH, FL, VA, NC, and the MW states the Ferengi won would turn red.  Romney has a 39/24 spread with wide margins of indies going GOP.  Palin is not the most popular with ~50+% of GOP support against her.

Romney, the guy fighting on the plane, will NEVER be president of the United States.

Think about it for one second

Obama according to you guys is horrible as a president, needs to be impeached, country in bad debt, bad economy, done nothing, pushing health care on people while no one wants it, he needs to be replaced.

47.8 approval rating.

 

52.9% 2008 returns.  The One would lose with 47.8% without some akin to a 1992 plurality.

This country goes back and forth, you should know better, go look at Bush before the second terms, he was behind until the election and won. The Republican needs a star and the best they can offer is a retard.

Ind vote psrock, ind vote.  Once you change that demo's mind, it is hard to change back.  A lot of this is going to be 2010 results.  Right now the GOP wins indies on a 2:1+ margin.  They will vote the same way in 2012 if anti-incumbent fever continues past the midterms (it will).  Btw, I mentioned Romney and Thune.  They are not Palin.  Thune beat inc. Daschle if you'll remember.  Romney won in a deep blue state.

Hopefully these two are your nominees. Hopefully



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