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halogamer1989 on 25 February 2010

I want them to do it.  GOP takeovers in both houses.  1994 redux.  Go ahead dems, make my day...



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psrock on 25 February 2010

Who's going to beat him in 2012?

It's amazing when Al Gore run for President, he didn't win though. He was the most qualified person I have ever seen, yet " America" saw otherwise. The grass is always greener on the other side.



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halogamer1989 on 25 February 2010

@PSRock Mitt Romney or John Thune



adriane23 on 25 February 2010
Kasz216 said:
adriane23 said:
Alright, this was 25% substantive discussion and 75% complaining, repetition, and sound bites. Oh well Obama, at least you tried.....

To pass something around 75% of America is against.

Using your calculation, lets say 75% of Americans (The ones that don't care) have decent health insurance and 25% (The ones that care) don't have insurance. That's a lot of people without insurance because a small percentage of alot is still alot. If the 25% that don't have insurance develop a chronic disease/ailment that is too expensive to pay for treatment out of pocket, they go to the ER when their medical condition gets life threatening. They now have a medical bill that they can't afford and is much higher than what it would've been if they had health insurance to pay a portion of the cost to treat their initial symptoms before they progressed. The unpaid medical bills create a burden on the hospital and the hospital is forced to increase fees and cut back on care and labor, ultimately decreasing the quality of healthcare for anyone that isn't wealthy.



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psrock on 25 February 2010
halogamer1989 said:
@PSRock Mitt Romney or John Thune

Good luck with that.

As bad as Obama is supposingly doing, he's still more popular than any of these guys. The most popular Republican is a retard who writes notes in hands, knows nothing about reality and seriously needs to shut the fuck up. The Republican party need a leader, someone sane, I havent seen that person yet.



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Kasz216 on 25 February 2010
adriane23 said:
Kasz216 said:
adriane23 said:
Alright, this was 25% substantive discussion and 75% complaining, repetition, and sound bites. Oh well Obama, at least you tried.....

To pass something around 75% of America is against.

Using your calculation, lets say 75% of Americans (The ones that don't care) have decent health insurance and 25% (The ones that care) don't have insurance. That's a lot of people without insurance because a small percentage of alot is still alot. If the 25% that don't have insurance develop a chronic disease/ailment that is too expensive to pay for treatment out of pocket, they go to the ER when their medical condition gets life threatening. They now have a medical bill that they can't afford and is much higher than what it would've been if they had health insurance to pay a portion of the cost to treat their initial symptoms before they progressed. The unpaid medical bills create a burden on the hospital and the hospital is forced to increase fees and cut back on care and labor, ultimately decreasing the quality of healthcare for anyone that isn't wealthy.


A) It's not my calculation. It's poll numbers. B) It doesn't break down like that. Most of those people are actually against a bill that forces them to get healthcare or pay giant fines believe it or not... the people supporting this are mostly middleclass people who don't actually have anything to worry about but like to think they know what's best for everybody.

Pyramid Head on 25 February 2010

hopefully whatever gets you guys socialised healthcare faster

no sense living like barbarians



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adriane23 on 25 February 2010
Kasz216 said:
adriane23 said:
Kasz216 said:
adriane23 said:
Alright, this was 25% substantive discussion and 75% complaining, repetition, and sound bites. Oh well Obama, at least you tried.....

To pass something around 75% of America is against.

Using your calculation, lets say 75% of Americans (The ones that don't care) have decent health insurance and 25% (The ones that care) don't have insurance. That's a lot of people without insurance because a small percentage of alot is still alot. If the 25% that don't have insurance develop a chronic disease/ailment that is too expensive to pay for treatment out of pocket, they go to the ER when their medical condition gets life threatening. They now have a medical bill that they can't afford and is much higher than what it would've been if they had health insurance to pay a portion of the cost to treat their initial symptoms before they progressed. The unpaid medical bills create a burden on the hospital and the hospital is forced to increase fees and cut back on care and labor, ultimately decreasing the quality of healthcare for anyone that isn't wealthy.

A) It's not my calculation. It's poll numbers. B) It doesn't break down like that. Most of those people are actually against a bill that forces them to get healthcare or pay giant fines believe it or not.

A) My bad, let me re-phrase it then, "to use the calculation you posted on here."

 

B) You mean to say most of those people are against a bill they THINK forces them to get healthcare or pay giant fines....



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halogamer1989 on 25 February 2010
psrock said:
halogamer1989 said:
@PSRock Mitt Romney or John Thune

Good luck with that.

As bad as Obama is supposingly doing, he's still more popular than any of these guys. The most popular Republican is a retard who writes notes in hands, knows nothing about reality and seriously needs to shut the fuck up. The Republican party need a leader, someone sane, I havent seen that person yet.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html +2.3 on the disapproval.  If the election were held today OH, FL, VA, NC, and the MW states the Ferengi won would turn red.  Romney has a 39/24 spread with wide margins of indies going GOP.  Palin is not the most popular with ~50+% of GOP support against her.



psrock on 25 February 2010
halogamer1989 said:
psrock said:
halogamer1989 said:
@PSRock Mitt Romney or John Thune

Good luck with that.

As bad as Obama is supposingly doing, he's still more popular than any of these guys. The most popular Republican is a retard who writes notes in hands, knows nothing about reality and seriously needs to shut the fuck up. The Republican party need a leader, someone sane, I havent seen that person yet.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html +2.3 on the disapproval.  If the election were held today OH, FL, VA, NC, and the MW states the Ferengi won would turn red.  Romney has a 39/24 spread with wide margins of indies going GOP.  Palin is not the most popular with ~50+% of GOP support against her.

Romney, the guy fighting on the plane, will NEVER be president of the United States.



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