RPGS=role playing games

Now in the action RPGS, they are NO different from turn based RPGS except that the gameplay is in LIVE action.

Zelda is a action game with rpg traits, and they play like RPGS or are based more on RPGS then action.

Level up was an example, we we see a deep plot in those sports games, characters facing tragedys, or forming alliances. Not really.

The stats are at the root of the gameplay. That's the common element that links the RPG subgenres. And the gameplay of WoW makes it an RPG, not the gameplay of the rest of the franchise. 

They should and they are.

RPGS have alot more gameplay linking to RPG then action, so they are put under RPG

Its like mass effect, the action may be first person shooter, but no one really considers it a first person shooter, and if it was they would be missing the entire genre the creator was creating it for

Y'know the 360 could just prove once and for all whether RPGs really determine the winning console. If only a handful of the current 360 owners buy all these RPGs, and few will because face it if blue dragon had been released on the ps2 it would have hit near FFXII numbers, and not many people are moved by the sheer number of RPGs slated for the 360 then obviously the old adage has been debunked.

Yes blue dragon would of, because of japan. America has never really liked cartoonish JRPGS, its why dragon quest has never been big here, and why FF has done well.

Roffle. And this is supposed to be sales site.

Firstly, I don't really know how the Wii RPGs lack quality when none of them have been released. Quite the fanboyish statement.  Only 2 have come out, one which got overlooked and the other, Dragon Quest Swords, which Japan ate up anyway. It's nice to see the blatant double standards though, for DQS to get slapped around as "not quality" but to see another SE game, an unproven IP like The Last Remnant, held on a pedestal of quality when no one has played it.

Second, half of the games carlos mentioned have done over a million in previous iterations. Tales has done it, Chocobo's Dungeon did it in Japan alone, Monster Hunter did it, FFCC did it whether you want to admit it or not.

wow who pissed you off so bad.

Alrigh first, you even admited that wii has no quality titles out, RIGHT NOW, unreleased we cant say, and he meant right now. DQS is most likely not seen as a huge project for SE, Last remnant yes.

Those will have a good chance of hitting 1 million, just hope that huge wide demography or lack of sales for core games doesnt hurt it.

And those games are hyped like Lost odyssey, Last remnant and Infinite?

Well if your counting Strategy RPGs there is always Fire Emblem which just released.  Fire Emblem games are always quality.

The stats are at the route of all sports games as well.  Which go up and down in the main modes of sports games.  Action RPGs really shouldn't be an RPG sub Genre and should be it's own thing because the gameplay is far more active then any other. 

For example.  Future Tactics last generation was a turn based 3rd person shooter.  There were no stats from what i remember.  No leveling up.  Not much upgrading aside from picking up upgrade packs.  Yet that's treated as a strategy game instead of a FPS/TPS shooter, because it plays like a turn based game.

The reason being... strategy fans are much more likely to enjoy it then FPS fans.

Just how action straight adventure fans are actually more likely to enjoy Action RPGS then straight RPG fans.

I didn't say "Wii has no quality titles out," I said those games aren't out so no one can claim that they aren't "quality." It's one of the dumbest arguments I've ever seen on this forum because there's no thought or substantial grounds for a debate. No ones played half of these games therefore no one can go strutting around on their little high-horse deeming which games are and aren't "qaulity." The same goes for the 360 RPGs, if anything all the new unproven IPs are something to be cautious about, they shouldn't be hailed as the second coming already. You'd think Lair would have taught people something by now.

And Last Remnant certainly isn't a "huge" project. DQS may have been a side game but Dragon Quest is still one of SE's pillars, The Last Remnant is a new IP testing the waters. It's not going to turn the industry upside down and I'll be surprised if it breaks 700k. SE's new IPs haven't been doing that well recently.