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Icyedge said:
slowmo said:
Icyedge said:
slowmo said:
Icyedge said:
slowmo said:
Did anybody post about the inflated scores this game got and complain about them by any chance? Given the game is sub 90 on meta I guess all those 100's are just fanboy reviewers too trying to bring the score up for site views too.

The hypocrsy of some fans is really sad. Its one review, EVERY big exclusive gets spoilers, deal with it. Its another reason why metacritic is flawed.

BTW epic fail by those people in here quoting Metacritic figures as some method to prove how good a game is. Perhaps when you do that, you don't do it in a thread created to cast doubt on the validity of those figures.

Average of lets say 85 compare to 100, is 15 points difference. Average of 85 to 40 is 45 point difference. Very strange argument you were trying to bring there.

Not strange its called common sense.  If you're willing to insult someones opinion for rating this game below the average thn do the same for those going above too.  It's quite clear if we take Meta as gospel this game is in no way worth any 10/10 reviews.  The difference is that I can appreciate some people may subjectively enjoy the game more than others hence the variance in review scores.

Why is it I wonder, its mainly only PS3 fans who ever cry about review scores.  Anyone care to answer why this happens as its getting really old now.  Deadly Premonition got blasted and people didn't whinge, same with Halo Wars, Ninja Blade, etc, etc.

Its not common sense, I mean how can you compare the reaction instigate by a review that is 12 points to the average compare to 45 points. Sure it itsnt going to make the same reaction for the gamer one way or another. Higher or lower, whatever the tool use (in this case meta) if a reviewer give a score 45 points different to the average than sure it is going to make people talk. Does this mean this review or reviewer is shit? surely not, its an opinion. But its only very normal that people comments on those type of review. You know that half of your post is not even related to what I was saying right? Where did you read the insult towards the reviewer or that meta is some kind of god?

The part not relevant to you is in a different paragraph, seems fine by my understanding of the English language.  The point is that you're not comparing like for like.  Some reviewers deal with a 5 point scale for their reviews where they rarely ever give less than 5/10, this artificially inflates scores above where they should be.  If you're then comparing people reviewing on 2 different scales and weighting each as the same then your analysis is flawed.  I really cannot be bothered explaining to you how the 15 points between 85 and 100 are more heavily weighted than the 45 below 85.  All of this boils down to one simple fact that you believe its ok to use Metacritic as a metric, I say its hopelessly flawed and pointless on so many levels its unreal.  I've still not seen you say those 10/10 reviews are wrong by the way, if you believe in Meta so much then admit some people have "overrated" the game in your opinion too.

 

Well, this argument is about the same tool (meta) and also the same scale (on 100). Also, im not saying meta is a better metric than something else. My point is simply that a review that is 45 points difference than an average (using the same tool and scale like in this case) will make people talk and comment. Its normal. Maybe the game is overrated but this doesnt have anything to do with our argument.

I don't think the game is overrated because I cannot make that judgement having not played it.

My original point was that if you take issue with reviews below the average then you should do the same to those above, you cannot get any higher than 15 above in this case...

100 isn't the same scale when it comes to reviews on meta at all by the way.  Some sites deal in grades, others stars, some percentages, others single digit scales out of 10 and 20.  These scores are then "converted" to a 100 scale.  You're using a tool that by its inherrent design is flawed as a basis of averages.

It would seem you took issue with my point regarding games above and below Meta's average, I think I've answered that point several times already.  If the standard for most of the reviewers on Meta for a average game is 6 or 7/10 and this site rate a average game at 5/10 then that is instantly a 10 or 20 point swing upwards for the average on meta that this review cannot account for.  My point is IF you must use Meta as some basis to make a comparison to criticize a review then at least be unbiased enough to do so for inflated scores too!

 



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slowmo said:
Icyedge said:
slowmo said:
Icyedge said:
slowmo said:
Icyedge said:
slowmo said:
Did anybody post about the inflated scores this game got and complain about them by any chance? Given the game is sub 90 on meta I guess all those 100's are just fanboy reviewers too trying to bring the score up for site views too.

The hypocrsy of some fans is really sad. Its one review, EVERY big exclusive gets spoilers, deal with it. Its another reason why metacritic is flawed.

BTW epic fail by those people in here quoting Metacritic figures as some method to prove how good a game is. Perhaps when you do that, you don't do it in a thread created to cast doubt on the validity of those figures.

Average of lets say 85 compare to 100, is 15 points difference. Average of 85 to 40 is 45 point difference. Very strange argument you were trying to bring there.

Not strange its called common sense.  If you're willing to insult someones opinion for rating this game below the average thn do the same for those going above too.  It's quite clear if we take Meta as gospel this game is in no way worth any 10/10 reviews.  The difference is that I can appreciate some people may subjectively enjoy the game more than others hence the variance in review scores.

Why is it I wonder, its mainly only PS3 fans who ever cry about review scores.  Anyone care to answer why this happens as its getting really old now.  Deadly Premonition got blasted and people didn't whinge, same with Halo Wars, Ninja Blade, etc, etc.

Its not common sense, I mean how can you compare the reaction instigate by a review that is 12 points to the average compare to 45 points. Sure it itsnt going to make the same reaction for the gamer one way or another. Higher or lower, whatever the tool use (in this case meta) if a reviewer give a score 45 points different to the average than sure it is going to make people talk. Does this mean this review or reviewer is shit? surely not, its an opinion. But its only very normal that people comments on those type of review. You know that half of your post is not even related to what I was saying right? Where did you read the insult towards the reviewer or that meta is some kind of god?

The part not relevant to you is in a different paragraph, seems fine by my understanding of the English language.  The point is that you're not comparing like for like.  Some reviewers deal with a 5 point scale for their reviews where they rarely ever give less than 5/10, this artificially inflates scores above where they should be.  If you're then comparing people reviewing on 2 different scales and weighting each as the same then your analysis is flawed.  I really cannot be bothered explaining to you how the 15 points between 85 and 100 are more heavily weighted than the 45 below 85.  All of this boils down to one simple fact that you believe its ok to use Metacritic as a metric, I say its hopelessly flawed and pointless on so many levels its unreal.  I've still not seen you say those 10/10 reviews are wrong by the way, if you believe in Meta so much then admit some people have "overrated" the game in your opinion too.

 

Well, this argument is about the same tool (meta) and also the same scale (on 100). Also, im not saying meta is a better metric than something else. My point is simply that a review that is 45 points difference than an average (using the same tool and scale like in this case) will make people talk and comment. Its normal. Maybe the game is overrated but this doesnt have anything to do with our argument.

I don't think the game is overrated because I cannot make that judgement having not played it.

My original point was that if you take issue with reviews below the average then you should do the same to those above, you cannot get any higher than 15 above in this case...

100 isn't the same scale when it comes to reviews on meta at all by the way.  Some sites deal in grades, others stars, some percentages, others single digit scales out of 10 and 20.  These scores are then "converted" to a 100 scale.  You're using a tool that by its inherrent design is flawed as a basis of averages.

It would seem you took issue with my point regarding games above and below Meta's average, I think I've answered that point several times already.  If the standard for most of the reviewers on Meta for a average game is 6 or 7/10 and this site rate a average game at 5/10 then that is instantly a 10 or 20 point swing upwards for the average on meta that this review cannot account for.  My point is IF you must use Meta as some basis to make a comparison to criticize a review then at least be unbiased enough to do so for inflated scores too!

 


I did say that a 45 points difference highwer or lower is bound to make people talk. Did you read my post? look for what is underline. Im sure if a game would have an average of 55 and then a reviewer would give the game a 100, people would talk about it in the same manner. But you did question why the PS3 fans wasnt complaining about the 100 reviews while the game is at an average of 88 actually. So yes it works both ways, but 100 to 88 is not a big difference, thats why nobody talked about those reviews. You were trying to argue on something I agree and that I even said.



Icyedge, let me break the wall of text and say from the outset I never quoted you, you quoted me and started this discussion. I didn't try to argue with you, you said I brought a very strange argument, now you're saying you agree (even if just to a certain extent).

I thought the whole point of this discussion was you disagreed with my argument yet you're now saying you don't, can you not see how I'm confused here? It doesn't matter either way to me, I just don't want to be labelled as someone "trying to argue".



This is what you do: Just like you'd find a friend with similar tastes to recommend a movie, restaurant, or prostitute, you have to find a review site with opinions relative to your own. What this just shows is that Teletext is not the site who's opinion we can relate to when it comes to prostitutes, movies, or video games.

Way to go, Teletext. You are now irrelevant.



Icyedge said:
slowmo said:
Did anybody post about the inflated scores this game got and complain about them by any chance? Given the game is sub 90 on meta I guess all those 100's are just fanboy reviewers too trying to bring the score up for site views too.

The hypocrsy of some fans is really sad. Its one review, EVERY big exclusive gets spoilers, deal with it. Its another reason why metacritic is flawed.

BTW epic fail by those people in here quoting Metacritic figures as some method to prove how good a game is. Perhaps when you do that, you don't do it in a thread created to cast doubt on the validity of those figures.

Average of lets say 85 compare to 100, is 15 points difference. Average of 85 to 40 is 45 point difference. Very strange argument you were trying to bring there.

 

Oh well, too bad you dont understand. Inflated score of 12% VS deflated of 45%, do you really cant understand why people wasnt complaining about the 100% reviews while they complain about the 45% one? See them as hypocrites if you want, but once again its a very strange argument to justify people are hypocrit fanboy.



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Icyedge said:
Icyedge said:
slowmo said:
Did anybody post about the inflated scores this game got and complain about them by any chance? Given the game is sub 90 on meta I guess all those 100's are just fanboy reviewers too trying to bring the score up for site views too.

The hypocrsy of some fans is really sad. Its one review, EVERY big exclusive gets spoilers, deal with it. Its another reason why metacritic is flawed.

BTW epic fail by those people in here quoting Metacritic figures as some method to prove how good a game is. Perhaps when you do that, you don't do it in a thread created to cast doubt on the validity of those figures.

Average of lets say 85 compare to 100, is 15 points difference. Average of 85 to 40 is 45 point difference. Very strange argument you were trying to bring there.

 

Oh well, too bad you dont understand. Inflated score of 12% VS deflated of 45%, do you really cant understand why people wasnt complaining about the 100% reviews while they complain about the 45% one? See them as hypocrites if you want, but once again its a very strange argument to justify people are hypocrit fanboy.

I can understand thats why its called hypocrsy, obviously you do not though.  You're the one arguing here, I've more than explained myself, now you're disagreeing just to act like a child.  Try reading what I posted earlier it more than justifies my comments which ONLY you took issue with.



slowmo said:
Icyedge said:
Icyedge said:
slowmo said:
Did anybody post about the inflated scores this game got and complain about them by any chance? Given the game is sub 90 on meta I guess all those 100's are just fanboy reviewers too trying to bring the score up for site views too.

The hypocrsy of some fans is really sad. Its one review, EVERY big exclusive gets spoilers, deal with it. Its another reason why metacritic is flawed.

BTW epic fail by those people in here quoting Metacritic figures as some method to prove how good a game is. Perhaps when you do that, you don't do it in a thread created to cast doubt on the validity of those figures.

Average of lets say 85 compare to 100, is 15 points difference. Average of 85 to 40 is 45 point difference. Very strange argument you were trying to bring there.

 

Oh well, too bad you dont understand. Inflated score of 12% VS deflated of 45%, do you really cant understand why people wasnt complaining about the 100% reviews while they complain about the 45% one? See them as hypocrites if you want, but once again its a very strange argument to justify people are hypocrit fanboy.

I can understand thats why its called hypocrsy, obviously you do not though.  You're the one arguing here, I've more than explained myself, now you're disagreeing just to act like a child.  Try reading what I posted earlier it more than justifies my comments which ONLY you took issue with.

I agree, at first, its me that took issue you were calling others hypocrit fan for no good reason. Im still wandering why you didnt re-word that.



I thinkk people scoring it higher than an 8 havent' played all the way through, and people scoring it higher than a 7 haven't played it again. The game is a mess, and really could have used some more polish, a better script, and someone just to proof read it. I mean, there are three different years shown in game, while some things that happen specific time periods before the game starts are MAJOR plot points, and there's no consistency. It's jsut a mess, and the glitches and BS claims really hurt it. I'm about halfway through my second playthrough, experimenting with not picking up the controller at all unless I have to wlk to a certain area to cue the story to continue, just doing the bare minimum and ignoring the QTE sequences.... hasn't made a difference. Charcters will continue the conversation without you after a short delay, QTE's resolve themselves quicker without you participating (and, save for a few specific ones I haven't even gotten to yet, without any change to the outcome). It's a pretty big dissapointment, and it's fairly justifiable to give a low score to something so flawed.

It's an interactive movie that doesn't require much interactivity, your interactivity has minimal impact on the story, the scripting and the plot are very poor quality, and there are a ton of errors. Additionally, as a game, it's glitchy with very noticable graphics problems detracting from one of it's strongest points, which is its visual presentation.

4 is still harsh, but a 6 would be fair to generous on a ten point scale.



StephenSharp said:
I thinkk people scoring it higher than an 8 havent' played all the way through, and people scoring it higher than a 7 haven't played it again. The game is a mess, and really could have used some more polish, a better script, and someone just to proof read it. I mean, there are three different years shown in game, while some things that happen specific time periods before the game starts are MAJOR plot points, and there's no consistency. It's jsut a mess, and the glitches and BS claims really hurt it. I'm about halfway through my second playthrough, experimenting with not picking up the controller at all unless I have to wlk to a certain area to cue the story to continue, just doing the bare minimum and ignoring the QTE sequences.... hasn't made a difference. Charcters will continue the conversation without you after a short delay, QTE's resolve themselves quicker without you participating (and, save for a few specific ones I haven't even gotten to yet, without any change to the outcome). It's a pretty big dissapointment, and it's fairly justifiable to give a low score to something so flawed.

It's an interactive movie that doesn't require much interactivity, your interactivity has minimal impact on the story, the scripting and the plot are very poor quality, and there are a ton of errors. Additionally, as a game, it's glitchy with very noticable graphics problems detracting from one of it's strongest points, which is its visual presentation.

4 is still harsh, but a 6 would be fair to generous on a ten point scale.

So, wait, if I don't touch the controller every time I play the game.  It will be different every time?  With a different ending?

Yeah, OK.

 

/sarcasm



  • 2010 MUST Haves: WKC, Heavy Rain, GoWIII, Fable III, Mass Effect 2, Bayonetta, Darksiders, FFXIII, Alan Wake, No More Heroes 2, Fragile Dreams: FRotM, Trinity: SoZ, BFBC2.
  • Older Need To Buys: Super Mario Bros. Wii, Mario Kart Wii, Deadspace, Demon's Souls, Uncharted 2.

There is definitely more to list that I want, but that's my main focus there.

anyone else think the demo was poor?

I thought the controls were too fiddly and awkward, this was added too by the camera which seems to limit your view, the visuals are impressive...but the controls and camera are a big annoyance imo.