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jneul on 23 February 2010
WilliamWatts said:
jneul said:
WilliamWatts said:

Heavy Rain isn't worth anything as far as innovation. If an earthquake happens and CNN doesn't cover it, the earthquake didn't happen. To be frank I played a few similar games way back when CDs came into vogue so really its just an evolution on those choose your own story movie games. What innovation exactly is there? A different spin on the same genres? A WRPG / FPS / Sports game? Or a JRPG / Exercise / Quiz show?

Innovation is just a word for people to slap onto tired game concepts in order to make them look new and fresh. The key point is that the Wiimote was innovative when it was released. No console maker had dared made a console with such an interface as the standard interface and its innovation that worked. Innovation which isn't copied isn't worth much as innovation which is. The fact that 100% of the industry is now following proves its real innovation and not some snarky gimmick.

Bottom line is we need games like Wii Fit to expand gaming, we don't need and have never needed little niche games which do nothing overall. If Heavy rain was wiped from history it wouldn't make much difference, but without games like Wii Fit, Mario Kart and Wii Sports gaming would be a very different picture.

allright now you crossed the line, Heavy Rain is innovative, whether you like it or not, and most reviewer's and people who have played on the demo have already confirmed this fact, you are in denial, and need to go play on your Wii if you love it so much??

also most people don't play on Wii-Fit for more than 30mins at a time yet people still buy it, guess that is one of your argument's out of the window...

Its just the same old 'gimmicky' motion controls which everyones railed the Wii on for the past 3 years + a choose your own adventure movie/game story line plucked from the mid 90s. So whether or not they implement them well is irrelevant as reviewers have short memories and limited perspectives. I have played the game demo and I am buying the game, but it doesn't stop me from calling it as I see it.

 

youve summed up the wii perfectly, thats the reason its so successful, it has games that are just casual 30mins put away.

but i think your wrong, core games can have motion controls we will see plenty of them at e3 on arc and natal.

 

Core games where you get tired from using the remote control? The Wii does it better due to the fact the camera is in the controller so small movements can replace big sweeping motions if you're using the pointer.

if your such a nintendo supporter, and you keep coming in sony forums, how come the game quality on wii is lower than ps3.

sorry but your just spewing bullshit as usual, if arc is shit because of one2one then wimoteplus must also be shit, not to mention hardly any games out for it.........

I also own a PS3 and Xbox 360 and gaming PC. You don't get it, the pointer is not 1:1 on the Wii which makes it better than the 1:1 pointer action on the Arc.

sigh i highly doubt you own a ps3, try posting elsewhere next time you post something like this i will click on the report button, I am getting fed up now.



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WilliamWatts on 23 February 2010

Ok, sorry I got a little heated. Im out. I apologise to you Jneul.



jneul on 23 February 2010
WilliamWatts said:
Ok, sorry I got a little heated. Im out. I apologise to you Jneul.

apology accepted, just remember we all love games, there is no need for those kind of debates, we are all capable of mature and reasonable conversations.



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bazmeistergen on 23 February 2010

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Cheebee on 23 February 2010
Icyedge said:
Cheebee said:
Skeeuk said:
PhalanxCO said:

So it's more precise because you can write with it???  Maybe you haven't seen any demos of that with WM+ because no one cares.  Besides, the pointer pretty much takes care of that anyway.  Play Trauma Center sometime.  The refresh rate of the camera is going to make quick motions (like in Red Steel 2) less precise than the proven tech of accelerometers and gyroscopes.


yes the arc from tech demos looks more precise.

How so? I've seen all demos that were done with Sony's controller, and I don't see how it's more precise. It's 1:1, apparently. So is Wii Motion Plus. Like I said, there's nothing beyond 1:1, it's the best motion controls can get. So, tell me, finally, HOW is it more precise? I'm just curious.

You didnt get back about the depth sensing. To my understanding it seems like wii motion + is not as precise as the Arc on this point, or is it?

Sorry, didn't notice that one, what with all the quoting and frenzied posting happening on that page.

Anyway, by depth sensing, I take it you mean how close the controller is in relation to the TV in 3D space? Well, WM+ calculates in high detail every direction it's moved into from a certain starting point, in 360 degrees. So... I'm assuming that's as good as it gets, 1:1. That's based on the purely motion-sensing side of things. If you take the infrared pointer into consideration, then it's especially easy, 'cos that accurately measures depth, distance to TV, to a high degree.



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DirtyP2002 on 23 February 2010
Icyedge said:
DirtyP2002 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
DirtyP2002 said:

so MS is running on smoke and mirrors, because they haven't shown Natal to the audience yet. Sony is delivering, because they haven't shown anything, but they will do so @E3. But MS will show something @E3 as well...

Actually the only thing Sony showed was a guy that wasn't able to hit a tennis ball with a gigantic stop sign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th8_zKa0DKk

Wait for E3 so far a lot of people are excited for Natal.

ugh I'm sorry mate but pretty much most of the demos MS did for natal were failures.....heck even the earlier ones were admitted to be pre rendered demos.....Milo says hi

 

so far if you have followed the general news on Arc and what devs of game comapnys and journalists say about it after seeing it in action, you will see it has a more postive feedback so far...for Natal it is mostly "it WILL be amazing" ...

the fact that their live demo malfunction in the last E3 didn't exactly put up a good impression either

 

I honestly hope Natal does well....but I personally think Arc will blow it away...we will see who is right by E3 ;)


That is why these failures were in talk shows, late night shows, magazines, Forbes magazine, time magzine one of the innovations of the year, Heck even smallville included Natal. Do you think they do this with a failure? Let's be honest here.

Its probably not a failure. But we know almost nothing about the games that will come out of it. Why are they even talking about it in talkshow and smallville? Its already seems like it is a success, but its not even release. I think this is what the Sony PR was talking about. Also seems fishy to me, I mean they must be paying someone for those kind of publicity stunt. If not theres no reason to talk about everywhere for the same reason that nobody is talking about Sony Arc.


you can say the same thing about the wand, your point?



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slowburn on 23 February 2010

I'll be much more inclined to purchase this than the Natal. In fact, after watching Natal in action, you could give me a one and I still wouldn't play it.



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Icyedge on 23 February 2010
Cheebee said:
Icyedge said:
Cheebee said:
Skeeuk said:
PhalanxCO said:

So it's more precise because you can write with it???  Maybe you haven't seen any demos of that with WM+ because no one cares.  Besides, the pointer pretty much takes care of that anyway.  Play Trauma Center sometime.  The refresh rate of the camera is going to make quick motions (like in Red Steel 2) less precise than the proven tech of accelerometers and gyroscopes.


yes the arc from tech demos looks more precise.

How so? I've seen all demos that were done with Sony's controller, and I don't see how it's more precise. It's 1:1, apparently. So is Wii Motion Plus. Like I said, there's nothing beyond 1:1, it's the best motion controls can get. So, tell me, finally, HOW is it more precise? I'm just curious.

You didnt get back about the depth sensing. To my understanding it seems like wii motion + is not as precise as the Arc on this point, or is it?

Sorry, didn't notice that one, what with all the quoting and frenzied posting happening on that page.

Anyway, by depth sensing, I take it you mean how close the controller is in relation to the TV in 3D space? Well, WM+ calculates in high detail every direction it's moved into from a certain starting point, in 360 degrees. So... I'm assuming that's as good as it gets, 1:1. That's based on the purely motion-sensing side of things. If you take the infrared pointer into consideration, then it's especially easy, 'cos that accurately measures depth, distance to TV, to a high degree.

Your right with what I meant by depth. Im not sure it can be as precise with those calculation, lets say you move very fast are you sure it is able to tell where the controller is standing in the room in 3D? Or if you move up close the TV and then 3 meters away, does the Wii know your 3 meters away from the TV? Also, I would guess the starting point is reset each time you enter a new game, so it means that the game can never know exactly where you are standing in the room. Because of the camera it will not be a problem for Sony. It will see the whole room, and know exactly where each players are, and if they are close or not to the TV.

I think this will traduct in a much better 1:1, in the sense that if you would be playing bowling or tennis with it, the whole movement would be a necesity, which is not the case with the Wii. Also this could traduct to "real" bowling, where everyday people doesnt get 200 + points. I think even Williamwatts realize that theres no realism with current Wii controller. You can do a small movement with your hand and it traducts with full arm swing on the screen. I think realism will be the major difference of the 2 products.  Obviously I may be very wrong, its not release yet. But what are your thought about that?



Icyedge on 23 February 2010
DirtyP2002 said:
Icyedge said:
DirtyP2002 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
DirtyP2002 said:

so MS is running on smoke and mirrors, because they haven't shown Natal to the audience yet. Sony is delivering, because they haven't shown anything, but they will do so @E3. But MS will show something @E3 as well...

Actually the only thing Sony showed was a guy that wasn't able to hit a tennis ball with a gigantic stop sign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th8_zKa0DKk

Wait for E3 so far a lot of people are excited for Natal.

ugh I'm sorry mate but pretty much most of the demos MS did for natal were failures.....heck even the earlier ones were admitted to be pre rendered demos.....Milo says hi

 

so far if you have followed the general news on Arc and what devs of game comapnys and journalists say about it after seeing it in action, you will see it has a more postive feedback so far...for Natal it is mostly "it WILL be amazing" ...

the fact that their live demo malfunction in the last E3 didn't exactly put up a good impression either

 

I honestly hope Natal does well....but I personally think Arc will blow it away...we will see who is right by E3 ;)


That is why these failures were in talk shows, late night shows, magazines, Forbes magazine, time magzine one of the innovations of the year, Heck even smallville included Natal. Do you think they do this with a failure? Let's be honest here.

Its probably not a failure. But we know almost nothing about the games that will come out of it. Why are they even talking about it in talkshow and smallville? Its already seems like it is a success, but its not even release. I think this is what the Sony PR was talking about. Also seems fishy to me, I mean they must be paying someone for those kind of publicity stunt. If not theres no reason to talk about everywhere for the same reason that nobody is talking about Sony Arc.


you can say the same thing about the wand, your point?

My point was that it is strange to see so much publicity on an unfinish product that we know almost nothing of. The wand is far from being publicize as much as Natal. You dont find that funny to see an unrelease tech in a TV episode or being called innovation of the year. How did they know? Im not too sure why you were asking my point in the manner you did tho. I wasnt saying wand is better or anything.



DirtyP2002 on 23 February 2010
Icyedge said:
DirtyP2002 said:
Icyedge said:
DirtyP2002 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
DirtyP2002 said:

so MS is running on smoke and mirrors, because they haven't shown Natal to the audience yet. Sony is delivering, because they haven't shown anything, but they will do so @E3. But MS will show something @E3 as well...

Actually the only thing Sony showed was a guy that wasn't able to hit a tennis ball with a gigantic stop sign.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th8_zKa0DKk

Wait for E3 so far a lot of people are excited for Natal.

ugh I'm sorry mate but pretty much most of the demos MS did for natal were failures.....heck even the earlier ones were admitted to be pre rendered demos.....Milo says hi

 

so far if you have followed the general news on Arc and what devs of game comapnys and journalists say about it after seeing it in action, you will see it has a more postive feedback so far...for Natal it is mostly "it WILL be amazing" ...

the fact that their live demo malfunction in the last E3 didn't exactly put up a good impression either

 

I honestly hope Natal does well....but I personally think Arc will blow it away...we will see who is right by E3 ;)


That is why these failures were in talk shows, late night shows, magazines, Forbes magazine, time magzine one of the innovations of the year, Heck even smallville included Natal. Do you think they do this with a failure? Let's be honest here.

Its probably not a failure. But we know almost nothing about the games that will come out of it. Why are they even talking about it in talkshow and smallville? Its already seems like it is a success, but its not even release. I think this is what the Sony PR was talking about. Also seems fishy to me, I mean they must be paying someone for those kind of publicity stunt. If not theres no reason to talk about everywhere for the same reason that nobody is talking about Sony Arc.


you can say the same thing about the wand, your point?

My point was that it is strange to see so much publicity on an unfinish product that we know almost nothing of. The wand is far from being publicize as much as Natal. You dont find that funny to see an unrelease tech in a TV episode or being called innovation of the year. How did they know? Im not too sure why you were asking my point in the manner you did tho. I wasnt saying wand is better or anything.

Because that is what this thread is about.

You might like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W81PeswSWP0

Natal is revolutionary in every single way.



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