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That looks like a fine PSU. They are all reliable in this class of product.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341022 for $50 after M.I.R.

May be a good product as well. Mean time to failure > 100,000 hours. A year has almost 9,000 hours.



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WilliamWatts said:
That looks like a fine PSU. They are all reliable in this class of product.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341022 for $50 after M.I.R.

May be a good product as well. Mean time to failure > 100,000 hours. A year has almost 9,000 hours.

Oh god no. OCZ has some decent products since they bought up PC Power and Cooling but that LED-ridden monstrosity isn't one of them.



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 -Sean Malstrom

 

 

Pros

* Quiet
* Competitively priced
* Good selection of modular cables
* Quality build & feel
* 3 year “PowerSwap” warranty

Cons

* Both 4pin & 8pin 12v cables are attached to the PSU (which seems excessive, however, I am clutching at straws to find something wrong here!)
* Red glow may not be for everyone...


http://www.xtremecomputing.co.uk/review.php?id=478&page=6



WilliamWatts said:
Pros

* Quiet
* Competitively priced
* Good selection of modular cables
* Quality build & feel
* 3 year “PowerSwap” warranty

Cons

* Both 4pin & 8pin 12v cables are attached to the PSU (which seems excessive, however, I am clutching at straws to find something wrong here!)
* Red glow may not be for everyone...


http://www.xtremecomputing.co.uk/review.php?id=478&page=6

The trouble with PSU reviews is that they cannot feasibly test the long-term reliability of the unit. That's why I and many others use warranties as a benchmark of quality: companies like Corsair and SeaSonic issue 5-year warranties because they know that their products are built to last. The 3-year warranty that that thing comes with isn't bad, but it could be better - and do you really want to trust the long-term stability of your system to a second-rate PSU?

Also, awful ugly LEDs.



"'Casual games' are something the 'Game Industry' invented to explain away the Wii success instead of actually listening or looking at what Nintendo did. There is no 'casual strategy' from Nintendo. 'Accessible strategy', yes, but ‘casual gamers’ is just the 'Game Industry''s polite way of saying what they feel: 'retarded gamers'."

 -Sean Malstrom

 

 

Garcian Smith said:
WilliamWatts said:
Pros

* Quiet
* Competitively priced
* Good selection of modular cables
* Quality build & feel
* 3 year “PowerSwap” warranty

Cons

* Both 4pin & 8pin 12v cables are attached to the PSU (which seems excessive, however, I am clutching at straws to find something wrong here!)
* Red glow may not be for everyone...


http://www.xtremecomputing.co.uk/review.php?id=478&page=6

The trouble with PSU reviews is that they cannot feasibly test the long-term reliability of the unit. That's why I and many others use warranties as a benchmark of quality: companies like Corsair and SeaSonic issue 5-year warranties because they know that their products are built to last. The 3-year warranty that that thing comes with isn't bad, but it could be better - and do you really want to trust the long-term stability of your system to a second-rate PSU?

Also, awful ugly LEDs.

Microsoft issues a warranty 3 years longer than Nintendo and the Wii costs less than the PS3 and yet its the most reliable current generation console. They issue longer warranties as a marketing bullet point. Having a longer warranty doesn't prove much greater reliability and having a shorter warranty doesn't prove a lack of reliability.

Second Rate PSUs are the Rosewill PSUs and other noname products. These are not 2nd rate PSUs.



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WilliamWatts said:

Microsoft issues a warranty 3 years longer than Nintendo and the Wii costs less than the PS3 and yet its the most reliable current generation console. They issue longer warranties as a marketing bullet point. Having a longer warranty doesn't prove much greater reliability and having a shorter warranty doesn't prove a lack of reliability.

Second Rate PSUs are the Rosewill PSUs and other noname products. These are not 2nd rate PSUs.

Game consoles are not PC power supplies.

And yes, that particular line of OCZ products is second-rate. The only PSUs I'd consider buying from OCZ are their Z-series, which I believe are rebranded high-end PCP&C units. But those are more powerful than most users need, starting at 650W. Their other products, including that LED-laden.. thing, don't have the proven track record that a company like SeaSonic, Corsair, or (formerly) PCP&C do.



"'Casual games' are something the 'Game Industry' invented to explain away the Wii success instead of actually listening or looking at what Nintendo did. There is no 'casual strategy' from Nintendo. 'Accessible strategy', yes, but ‘casual gamers’ is just the 'Game Industry''s polite way of saying what they feel: 'retarded gamers'."

 -Sean Malstrom

 

 

Garcian Smith said:
WilliamWatts said:

Microsoft issues a warranty 3 years longer than Nintendo and the Wii costs less than the PS3 and yet its the most reliable current generation console. They issue longer warranties as a marketing bullet point. Having a longer warranty doesn't prove much greater reliability and having a shorter warranty doesn't prove a lack of reliability.

Second Rate PSUs are the Rosewill PSUs and other noname products. These are not 2nd rate PSUs.

Game consoles are not PC power supplies.

And yes, that particular line of OCZ products is second-rate. The only PSUs I'd consider buying from OCZ are their Z-series, which I believe are rebranded high-end PCP&C units. But those are more powerful than most users need, starting at 650W. Their other products, including that LED-laden.. thing, don't have the proven track record that a company like SeaSonic, Corsair, or (formerly) PCP&C do.

Have you heard of 'Enthusiast creep'? It used to be that any old power supply would be fine and really it was fine. Then they had to be 2* the quality, then 2* more quality again. So even if its only 2* the quality of a noname PSU thats still good enough. The ATX specifications don't last forever, the PSU only has to last about 5-6 years, they don't have an expected 10 year lifespan because the specifications will change before the PSU will likely break.



thanks for all the advice guys...hopefully this system is more powerful then my ps3 and 360



Sorry but I will have to side with Garcian Smith on the PSU debate.
I don't like OCZ either for something as important as the PSU.
Seriously the PSU is the MOST important piece of hardware for stability.
Stick with Corsair or Seasonic or even Antec if you really want to save $20 but I would just get the Corsair personally.

Don't worry your PC will be able to run any game that comes out for quite awhile since they aren't really pushing the graphics edge due to consoles. It will certainly look much better than anything the PS3 or 360 could pump out and it has all the other benefits of a full fledged PC :) If you throw mods into the mix, it means that almost every game you own will have tons of free add ons, levels, skins and other gameplay changes that extend the life of the game. Easily the biggest strength of PC gaming in my opinion and I own all consoles and enjoy them for the games they do well (fighters, hack n slash, racers, flying games)



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DOLBYdigital said:
Sorry but I will have to side with Garcian Smith on the PSU debate.
I don't like OCZ either for something as important as the PSU.
Seriously the PSU is the MOST important piece of hardware for stability.
Stick with Corsair or Seasonic or even Antec if you really want to save $20 but I would just get the Corsair personally.

Don't worry your PC will be able to run any game that comes out for quite awhile since they aren't really pushing the graphics edge due to consoles. It will certainly look much better than anything the PS3 or 360 could pump out and it has all the other benefits of a full fledged PC :) If you throw mods into the mix, it means that almost every game you own will have tons of free add ons, levels, skins and other gameplay changes that extend the life of the game. Easily the biggest strength of PC gaming in my opinion and I own all consoles and enjoy them for the games they do well (fighters, hack n slash, racers, flying games)

I thought the motherboard was the most important component in a system? Wait? Oh we're not talking about motherboards so therefore the PSU is suddenly the most important now.

The OCZ PSU has a ripple of under 3%, how the hell is that not good enough? Add that to beefed up enthusiast parts and you've got extreme over-engineering on every level with your typical enthusiast PC. If you're not overclocking then you're not requiring an uber expensive PSU.

Besides anything else a PSU has to last about 3-4 years and thats about it. By the time the next Intel platform comes out your current over engineered PSU will be useless because they will once again change the power delivery. PC parts don't stay current for 5+ years, not even the PSU.