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Forums - Sales Discussion - lol at analyst thread 984: nintnedo must cut wii price immediately

thats right folks it thats time again.  Mike Hickey has come out with his predictions for the industry this year, read on for some classic/rather generic nintend  is D00medz reading

The market was a challenging one for the video game industry in 2009, and judging by the recently released January NPD sales data, things aren't much better in 2010 - not yet, at least. According to Janco Partners analyst Mike Hickey, in order for the market to see some positive gains again, console price cuts will be needed across the board. Hickey believes that Nintendo in particular will face further market weakness if they don't act quickly.

"We acknowledge that a traditional hardware cycle would now be nearing completion, leaving further market growth dependent on continued and aggressive hardware price cuts, software price cuts, hardware extensions and an economic lift.  We remain optimistic for near term PS3 and 360 market growth opportunities, vis-à-vis an emerging secondary casual market cycle, as accessory innovations potentially target an established Nintendo casual market.  We expect continued market weakness through ’10 for Nintendo related products, as the Wii cycle fades meaningfully and the DS platform faces considerable competition from Apple related mobile gaming devices.  We recognize new hardware from Nintendo is on the horizon," Hickey began.

He continued, "We think console manufactures need to dramatically cut price points in calendar ’10, to continue hardware sales momentum from the holiday.  However, we expect Microsoft will not cut the price of their hardware in front of the introduction of Natal motion technology this holiday, as they are likely hesitant to offer a price induced inflection point for their installed base growth, favoring a hardware innovation as a more sound medium term sales catalyst.  Importantly, Nintendo built the majority of their casual mass market oriented installed base from a $250 price point. We believe Nintendo needs to cut the price of their console from $200 to $150 immediately, as they should establish as meaningful of an installed base as possible before the Natal and Arc are introduced.  We believe they also need to generate strong hardware sales momentum into their competitors release or face the draconian consumer perception of the Wii having a dramatically reduced entertainment value proposition over a faded technology innovation; Rock Band anyone?"

Not only does console hardware pricing need to come down, but Hickey believes the software market will not sustain as many triple-A releases at the current pricing level. "We expect continued pricing pressure on front line releases for the majority of games in calendar year ’10, whether through immediate pricing action at drop and/or accelerated promotional activities by retailers and supported in-part by publishers; regardless the perceptual value or effective price to most consumers will likely trend lower into holiday ’10," he said. "We believe there [are] still too many triple-A games in the market, as the market will likely support a decreasing number of releases, leaving many high quality games without an addressable market sufficient to offset their high production and development expense."

Interestingly, Hickey also sees new casual market opportunities as a portion of current Nintendo customers will look to upgrade to more powerful or new experiences. The upcoming Project Natal and Sony motion controller could be just what they're seeking. "We believe a new casual game market will emerge in calendar 2010, which could be very beneficial for Microsoft, Sony, Apple and 3rd party software developers like Electronic Arts, Activision, THQ, Ubisoft, and Take-Two.  The casual hardware extensions from both Sony and Microsoft will likely drive both additional hardware and software sales, for casual and non-gaming mass market opportunities," Hickey said. "We expect a potential up-migration from a portion of Nintendo’s Wii market, as many new gaming console households choose to upscale their game entertainment experience, enjoy a broader array of multi-media options and experience 'the new' casual gaming opportunities.  We expect 3rd party publishers could benefit significantly over the emerging casual cycle, as their prior experience at the casual market was often tortuous from Nintendo’s software domination."

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/wii-cycle-to-fade-meaningfully-in-2010-aggressive-price-cuts-needed-says-analyst/

 



 nintendo fanboy, but the good kind

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The industry at large needs to realize DS/Wii isn't some one off anomaly, it's actually a total market shift and reset. The sooner developers, publishers, "games" media and analysts figure this out, the better for all involved.



woopah said:

We expect 3rd party publishers could benefit significantly over the emerging casual cycle, as their prior experience at the casual market was often tortuous from Nintendo’s software domination."

 So, less high quality casual games make casual gamers buy more software. 

 

It makes perfect sense. 

In Bizarro World. 

 



Alterego-X said:
woopah said:

We expect 3rd party publishers could benefit significantly over the emerging casual cycle, as their prior experience at the casual market was often tortuous from Nintendo’s software domination."

 So, less high quality casual games make casual gamers buy more software. 

 

It makes perfect sense. 

In Bizarro World. 

 


of course it does, where do you think these analysts live?



 nintendo fanboy, but the good kind

proud soldier of nintopia

 

Some people just don't get it. The DS is still selling massively despite being underpowered and competitors stepping up their efforts to take out the DS. How well has the PSP worked to kill the DS? How much of the DS's audience has the Apple actually stolen?

The Wii is underpowered, but it has already been let out of the box. Natal and Arc simply won't be able to compete with the Wii's software dominance. People aren't going to upgrade to Arc or Natal for the same kinds of casual experiences that are already available on the Wii. X-box, especially, doesn't have the decades long backlog of software titles that they can draw from that Nintendo does.

Casual gamers have already flocked to the Wii. Natal and Wand might be able to sell a few units via their hardcore exclusives, but they will never be able to capture Wii's momentum especially mid-generation. People aren't going to buy an Arc just so they can play a PS3 version of EA Active or Just Dance.

Wii just had a pricecut in November. They are doing just fine. They just need more popular software releases to carry their momentum forward. Arc and Natal don't have an answer for SMG2, the new Zelda, Wii Fit, and New Super Marios Bros.



 

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Uncharted 3,Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, Rocksmith

Modern Warfare 3, Super Mario 3D

 

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To be honest, I think Nintendo will more inroads into the hardcore this year (Galaxy2/OtherM/ZeldaM+/etc) than Microsoft or Sony will into the casual sphere with Arc & Natal.



The Wii and DS sell because it cators to a diferent kind of market, one that is more diverse and broad which includes the likes of avid gamers, casuals, new gamers and people who rarely game. It's a complete shift in market , the PS2 captured this crowd by being a DVD player but the Wii/DS are genuinely geared towards them and they fully see it which is why the usual parameters in gaming don't fall on these two, analysts and devs will be tearing their hair out with failed predictions until they start to realize this.



"We expect 3rd party publishers could benefit significantly over the emerging casual cycle, as their prior experience at the casual market was often tortuous from Nintendo’s software domination."

 

Oh, for Pete's sake......



Leatherhat on July 6th, 2012 3pm. Vita sales:"3 mil for COD 2 mil for AC. Maybe more. "  thehusbo on July 6th, 2012 5pm. Vita sales:"5 mil for COD 2.2 mil for AC."

Industry needs to understand that market shifts to broader ranges have occurred since days of Babylon. Yet oddly enough it's never been accepted that the upstream collapses on it's on hubris. This is a shift. Just like the Nintendo, just like the PS, just like the Walkman, just like Red Tail, Circus Soliel, iPod/iStore?, ....

mimicry usually doesn't mean the same success, but a portion of the market that was waiting for "better" or "brand" type.

These Industry pundits, just don't understand the convenience market. They seem to be dense as nails and only understand personal tastes. Maybe they should take courses in consumer psychology, because they might as well guess. They might get it right more often.



Squilliam: On Vgcharts its a commonly accepted practice to twist the bounds of plausibility in order to support your argument or agenda so I think its pretty cool that this gives me the precedent to say whatever I damn well please.

Nintendo's DS overtaken by Apple? The fact that this analyst actually believes that could happen baffles me... The DS will continue to sell like the monster it is until its successor takes its place.