r505Matt said:
Reasonable said:
r505Matt said:
Reasonable said:
r505Matt said:
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AlkamistStar said:
Lyrikalstylez said:
Buying timed exclusives in my opinion is such a waste of money, They could have used those resources to build up great new IP's such as Sony is doing but instead they foolishly focus on buying GTA: stories and countless others only to let it go multi later and with new content!!!...which in turn pisses off that same userbase it has been trying to build!! If Mass Effect2 goes multi I swear it will be the last straw
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To this day that has never been CONFIRMED. It's a strong rumour, but never confirmed, so for all we know Rockstar could've done this for free. That's one thing that i would like to disuss, why is it that everytimes Microsoft secures timed exclusivity, or a console excluive from a thrid party developer, people automatically think that they paid a ridiculous amount of money, or that their hand was forced by Microsoft in some shady business practice. It's getting old. Developers love to create games on a system that is not only successful in the marketshare, but has the largest attach rate with consumers from all other consoles, and is easy developer friendly, with familiar tools from their PC experience, or engines.
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While most people do vastly exagerate this, it's also pretty clear that some business transaction takes place to secure these. Developers love to develop games and make money. When there's a clearly dominant console they'll develop for that. This gen that isn't the case and there are more than enough quotes from more than enough developers to indicate most feel multi-platform is the only way to go - therefore either others just see it differently (a possibility of course) or MS are paying in some form (another possibility and one that I think is just more likely).
Business is that, business, and behind these decisions are almost certainly transactions of some form or other.
Look at the annoucement FFXIII will only have bundles on 360 in West. There is no reason SE would do that unless given some inducement by MS, absolutely none. Just like there must have been some inducement for them to not support 360 in Japan (and probably the two are even linked).
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What about Yoihci Wada's love for all things Western? And his desire for Western gaming to penetrate the Eastern market more and vice versa? There are so many factors, don't just assume something because it seems to be the most obvious choice.
Assumptions are the root of ignorance, don't fall for it, I know you're smarter than that.
I'm not saying it's impossible that there isn't a transaction, but don't just make an assumption based of a small percentage of the truth. Maybe it's more likely that limited resources + harder to develop for PS3 make it undoable at time of original release. MS can bank on that saying "Only on Xbox" and get away with it for a while. Until something concrete comes out (though it could be false anyways), there's no way to know.
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Oh I'm not making assumptions. I'm trained in maths and statistics so I just see probabilities. For me it's simply more probable some form of business transaction is involved. Note by that I don't mean a straight 'brown evelope' job. It could be other incentives around creative freedom or advertising support - for example MS could be paying for FFXIII advertising in US in exchange for the bundles.
Or it may not directly involve money but other elements of business, favourable future support, access to more development support on the tech, etc.
Everything I think simply ranks in probabilities and in business it's simply more likely to be some form of transaction that mere goodwill or a desire to work with a specific company. On the other hand - it could be those things as something being more probable doesn't mean the facts aren't actually different.
So I don't think I'm making assumptions, I normally avoid them like the plague. I'm just looking at what's most/least likely plus known company behaviour - for example MS has a history of using various incentives to attract people to support it, as do Sony,
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Okay, I can understand that, I do a similar thing, but I refrain from making conclusions typically (keyword here haha). I guess I myself assumed you were making an assumption. Haha, curses!
Don't get me wrong about all this, I think there's some sort of transaction as well, I just like to try to point out all the sides of an arguement.
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Oh don't worry. We might not agree on everything, but it's a pleasure to debate with you just like Squilliam. Anyone making fair comments can't be bad in my book! And assumptions are tough to avoid, aren't they?
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Indeed, they can be! Haha, I think it's better to not agree, makes things more interesting =)
At least I can tell you're cool about it, and you don't freak out/take it personally. That makes discussions like this difficult.
And I agree, anyone making good/logical/fair comments is alright with me. Good, non-personal debate is hard to come by sometimes. And heck, I've had some of my opinions changed on this site, so I'm not a complete brick wall.
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