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Seece on 09 February 2010
WiiStation360 said:
Seece said:
Naum said:
Seece said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Nintendo's head start of 67+ million Wiis and 13+ million copies of Wii Sports Resort, and an upcoming Motion+ only Zelda... not a chance.

Oh wow look, you're trolling again.

How the hell is that trolling? it's the truth.

It's trolling because Nintendo has no place in this thread that's why.

First, the thread title is: "Pachter Predicts Motion Control Winner".  Not "second place winner". So Nintendo is relevant to the conversation.

Secondly, any discussion of consumer adoption of the new motion controllers without mentioning the Wii is ignoring the reason Sony/Microsoft had to scramble and announce new controllers mid-generation.  Nintendo dominating the casual gaming market, and it is currently theirs to lose.

As for Pachter, he is ignoring the most important thing.  It is not price of the controller, it is games.  Many people basically paid $250 for Wii Sports.  They played it at friends homes and went out and got one for themselves.  The same happened with WiiFit.

Unless Natal/Arc have a killer app for casual players, it will not matter.  The hardcore might buy it because they love Sony/MS, or to play whatever hardcore games support it, but Sony/MS launch of motion controllers are to attract the casual players who are ignoring their console for the Wii.  Selling motion control the the existing console owners does not matter.  They need the apps that sell to the casual Wii customer.

No, and this kind of talk is pathetic. It's as if wii owners think they have a hold on this sort of conversation? that if motion controls are mentioned, wii has a rightful place in the thread.

Sony has motion now and so do Microsoft, this is about their products and which will win between the 2.

 

haha, I dread to see all the Natal/Arc threads around release, it'll be just like PS3 vs 360 sales threads when that annoying wii fan comes in and says lolz wii is outselling them 2:1.

 

just ... go away ..



 

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steverhcp02 on 09 February 2010

I just cant believe something thats supposed to be this revolutionary is going to be $50. No way. If it is thats cool, but then im going to fucking egg every MSFT employees house for the price of the harddrives and wi fi dongle and shit in their mailboxes.




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JaggedSac on 09 February 2010
steverhcp02 said:
I just cant believe something thats supposed to be this revolutionary is going to be $50. No way. If it is thats cool, but then im going to fucking egg every MSFT employees house for the price of the harddrives and wi fi dongle and shit in their mailboxes.

Natal is mainly a software solution.  The only hardware difference between Natal and the Vision camera is an infrared light generator and sensor.



steverhcp02 on 09 February 2010
JaggedSac said:
steverhcp02 said:
I just cant believe something thats supposed to be this revolutionary is going to be $50. No way. If it is thats cool, but then im going to fucking egg every MSFT employees house for the price of the harddrives and wi fi dongle and shit in their mailboxes.

Natal is mainly a software solution.  The only hardware difference between Natal and the Vision camera is an infrared light generator and sensor.

So its the PSeye? I thought it was more advanced. I despise all motion controllers so i honestly dont know but everything i have read or have seen in PR it keeps sounding like this is supposed to be some huge leap in technology.




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The Ghost of RubangB on 09 February 2010
Seece said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Seece said:
Naum said:
Seece said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Nintendo's head start of 67+ million Wiis and 13+ million copies of Wii Sports Resort, and an upcoming Motion+ only Zelda... not a chance.

Oh wow look, you're trolling again.

How the hell is that trolling? it's the truth.

It's trolling because Nintendo has no place in this thread that's why.

Nintendo is the elephant in the room and the media is ignoring it and doing this "best motion controller ever" argument when it's really for 2nd place.  I didn't know having the most successful motion controller of all time for over 3 years was irrelevant to the motion controller wars discussion.  The thread title says "Pachter Predicts Motion Control Winner!" but it ignores the actual winner.  He even predicts that the cheapest add-on will win, and doesn't mention that Motion+ is only $20 and already on the market.

"upcoming console motion control war"

 

He's talking about 360 VS PS3.

This whole thread is about 360 vs PS3, I'm sorry you find it so offensive people are ignoring your console ... get over it and stop blantantly trolling.

"Upcoming" or not, Nintendo is part of the motion control war.  Several other people in this thread are discussing Nintendo, the Wii, and Wii Sports right now.  So stop calling me a troll.  It's actually a bannable offense.



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richardhutnik on 09 February 2010
Lastgengamer said:

The Wedbush Securities analyst has assessed

"My uninformed opinion is...."

By doing a butcher hack job on the above, we get at the truth of the mater...

Now, he needs to prefaced much more of what he says with that line above, for the sake of truth in journalism.

 

Sorry to be blunt, but Pachter predicting anything now regarding anything is to be taken as an uninformed opinion.



famousringo on 09 February 2010
Seece said:

No, and this kind of talk is pathetic. It's as if wii owners think they have a hold on this sort of conversation? that if motion controls are mentioned, wii has a rightful place in the thread.

Sony has motion now and so do Microsoft, this is about their products and which will win between the 2.

 

haha, I dread to see all the Natal/Arc threads around release, it'll be just like PS3 vs 360 sales threads when that annoying wii fan comes in and says lolz wii is outselling them 2:1.

 

just ... go away ..

I only see one person here who thinks that he should be the arbiter on what is and isn't allowed in this conversation. Calling people trolls and telling them to go away isn't going to stop them from saying things that you don't want to hear.



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RageBot on 09 February 2010

Wii fans, please stop your posting here.

It doesn't matter how relevent Nintendo is to discussion about Motion Control, since the discussion is, solely, about who, out of Sony and MS, will sell more.



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Demotruk on 09 February 2010
Seece said:

No, and this kind of talk is pathetic. It's as if wii owners think they have a hold on this sort of conversation? that if motion controls are mentioned, wii has a rightful place in the thread.

Sony has motion now and so do Microsoft, this is about their products and which will win between the 2.

 

haha, I dread to see all the Natal/Arc threads around release, it'll be just like PS3 vs 360 sales threads when that annoying wii fan comes in and says lolz wii is outselling them 2:1.

 

just ... go away ..

They are not competing in a vacuum, the whole point of releasing motion controllers is to allow them to compete with Nintendo directly. Talking about the winner of the motion control war and not mentioning Nintendo is like talking about last gen's console war and not mentioning PS2. It's surreal, and it's stupid.



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JaggedSac on 09 February 2010
steverhcp02 said:
JaggedSac said:
steverhcp02 said:
I just cant believe something thats supposed to be this revolutionary is going to be $50. No way. If it is thats cool, but then im going to fucking egg every MSFT employees house for the price of the harddrives and wi fi dongle and shit in their mailboxes.

Natal is mainly a software solution.  The only hardware difference between Natal and the Vision camera is an infrared light generator and sensor.

So its the PSeye? I thought it was more advanced. I despise all motion controllers so i honestly dont know but everything i have read or have seen in PR it keeps sounding like this is supposed to be some huge leap in technology.

Does PSEye have an infrared sensor?  The infrared sensor is what provides the main data for the software to process.

It is the software processing the output of Natal that is driving it.  A neural network trained to detect body positions is the main technology of Natal. 

Here are some visualizations of Natal's output: