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hikaruchan said:
iLLmaticV3 said:
Kasz216 said:
adriane23 said:
iLLmaticV3 said:
Naum said:
iLLmaticV3 said:
More story and less gameplay is what I like most.

Really? well I want more gameplay then cutscenes.

To be honest, I never played a Final Fantasy game for gameplay, thats the least of my worries. Good story/scenery and music is all that matters to me. But to each their own, right? :P

This. The gameplay in Final Fantasy games were nerver the big attraction to the series, so to think they shpould change now is a little unrealistic. Besides, almost the whole second disc of Xenogears was a big cutscene with boss battles thrown in and it is the greatest RPG ever created to me.

I'm guessing you guys who are saying this have never played Final Fantasy 1.

I've played every single Final Fantasy game, including the spin-offs: Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus, etc.. I would consider myself a dedicated Final Fantasy fan. Final Fantasy 3 is my least favorite, because it pretty much had no story at all. I have also played FF1 twice, FF2 twice, FF3 once, FF4 twice, FF5 once, FF6 twice, FF7 twice, FFVIII 5 times, FFIX 5 times, FFX 3 times, and FFXII twice. I'm sorry, but you are very incorrect.

You should also check out FFX-2 it is awesome.

I've played that too, that would go in the Spin-off section of my post. I really enjoyed the game, it also has my favorite Victory Fanfare :). I enjoyed it a lot, it had a good story, although I enjoyed FF X's more, fun gameplay, and the Dress Sphere system was pretty cool too!



Odd. Future. Wolf. Gang. Kill. Em. All. OFWGKTA Don't give a fuck!

Fuck Steve Harvey. FREE EARL!

Final Fantasy Versus XIII will be the GREATEST game EVER made!!!

I'd take a bullet for Square-Enix! 

 

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adriane23 said:
iLLmaticV3 said:
Naum said:
iLLmaticV3 said:
More story and less gameplay is what I like most.

Really? well I want more gameplay then cutscenes.

To be honest, I never played a Final Fantasy game for gameplay, thats the least of my worries. Good story/scenery and music is all that matters to me. But to each their own, right? :P

This. The gameplay in Final Fantasy games were nerver the big attraction to the series, so to think they shpould change now is a little unrealistic. Besides, almost the whole second disc of Xenogears was a big cutscene with boss battles thrown in and it is the greatest RPG ever created to me.

Perspectives are changing on this issue. A lot of people who grew up with jrpgs are pretty sick of the genre now precisely because of the narrative focus. Here's the deal. When I first really got into Final Fantasy (VII and VIII to be exact), it was a very novel experience for me. And I was a young teen. I loved that stuff. MGS on the PS1 was also a very fresh experience for me for the same reasons. And I saw the narrative, cutscenes, cinematics, etc. as a reward for a job well done. But fast forward a decade and well, the same stories seem cheesy and at my age, I don't have the patience to trudge through crappy gameplay to uncover more story, especially story that isn't good. If I wanted to watch the cutscenes so badly, theres youtube now. SO4 cutscenes on youtube are great to watch for the lulz (preferably when drunk).

And I discovered visual novels after jrpgs. Visual novels pretty much "ruined" the jrpg narrative for me. Because you get better quality story without all the boring chores to do (boring encounter after boring encounter in long ass dungeons). Not to mention that there are lots of movies, television shows, anime series, manga series and yes, novels that are more fun to go through than playing through a jrpg with an uninspired cookie cutter j-pop emo soap opera narrative or cookie cutter kawaii desu ne narrative or a deadly combination of both (SO4). And guess what? No boring encounters in long dungeons to trudge through when you watch a movie, tv show, anime series, etc. And the big kicker now is that many non-rpg games these days are focusing on story, cutscenes and cinematics these days. In effect, taking away the novelty that jrpgs had.

Jrpgs aren't novel anymore and things now in 2010 aren't like what they were in the 90s and early 2000s. They need to up their game if they want to be relevant. It's time for the genre to evolve or keep catering to the shrinking jrpg base. Gamers demand more now. If we want the gameplay, we have games that give us the great gameplay we want. If we want story, there are games out there you can play that have great stories but without the annoying gameplay.

Personally I think the jrpg situation is much better on handhelds than on consoles though. I don't mind playing jrpgs on handhelds. I'm not entirely sure why but maybe it's for similar reasons than this guy brought up. http://www.destructoid.com/new-rule-every-jrpg-shall-be-portable-125833.phtml It's odd how I get insanely bored playing say SO4 or ToV but yet even something like Pokemon still seems like fun. That's not to say I don't like console jrpgs period but I find that I tend to not like most of them now.



loves2splooge said:
adriane23 said:
iLLmaticV3 said:
Naum said:
iLLmaticV3 said:
More story and less gameplay is what I like most.

Really? well I want more gameplay then cutscenes.

To be honest, I never played a Final Fantasy game for gameplay, thats the least of my worries. Good story/scenery and music is all that matters to me. But to each their own, right? :P

This. The gameplay in Final Fantasy games were nerver the big attraction to the series, so to think they shpould change now is a little unrealistic. Besides, almost the whole second disc of Xenogears was a big cutscene with boss battles thrown in and it is the greatest RPG ever created to me.

Perspectives are changing on this issue. A lot of people who grew up with jrpgs are pretty sick of the genre now precisely because of the narrative focus. Here's the deal. When I first really got into Final Fantasy (VII and VIII to be exact), it was a very novel experience for me. And I was a young teen. I loved that stuff. MGS on the PS1 was also a very fresh experience for me for the same reasons. And I saw the narrative, cutscenes, cinematics, etc. as a reward for a job well done. But fast forward a decade and well, the same stories seem cheesy and at my age, I don't have the patience to trudge through crappy gameplay to uncover more story, especially story that isn't good. If I wanted to watch the cutscenes so badly, theres youtube now. SO4 cutscenes on youtube are great to watch for the lulz (preferably when drunk).

And I discovered visual novels after jrpgs. Visual novels pretty much "ruined" the jrpg narrative for me. Because you get better quality story without all the boring chores to do (boring encounter after boring encounter in long ass dungeons). Not to mention that there are lots of movies, television shows, anime series, manga series and yes, novels that are more fun to go through than playing through a jrpg with an uninspired cookie cutter j-pop emo soap opera narrative or cookie cutter kawaii desu ne narrative or a deadly combination of both (SO4). And guess what? No boring encounters in long dungeons to trudge through when you watch a movie, tv show, anime series, etc. And the big kicker now is that many non-rpg games these days are focusing on story, cutscenes and cinematics these days. In effect, taking away the novelty that jrpgs had.

Jrpgs aren't novel anymore and things now in 2010 aren't like what they were in the 90s and early 2000s. They need to up their game if they want to be relevant. It's time for the genre to evolve or keep catering to the shrinking jrpg base. Gamers demand more now. If we want the gameplay, we have games that give us the great gameplay we want. If we want story, there are games out there you can play that have great stories but without the annoying gameplay.

Personally I think the jrpg situation is much better on handhelds than on consoles though. I don't mind playing jrpgs on handhelds. I'm not entirely sure why but maybe it's for similar reasons than this guy brought up. http://www.destructoid.com/new-rule-every-jrpg-shall-be-portable-125833.phtml It's odd how I get insanely bored playing say SO4 or ToV but yet even something like Pokemon still seems like fun. That's not to say I don't like console jrpgs period but I find that I tend to not like most of them now.

Very reasonable, I have also noticed I am getting to the point where JRPG's like Star Ocean 4, just don't cut it anymore and I get bored and not finish them due to lackluster storytelling. I think this is also why WRPG's are now more dominant in the market, they provide gamers with the type of gaming experience they prefer and don't OVERDUE the story. They are quite balanced, and the gameplay is a lot more action oriented which gets you engrossed into the game.



Odd. Future. Wolf. Gang. Kill. Em. All. OFWGKTA Don't give a fuck!

Fuck Steve Harvey. FREE EARL!

Final Fantasy Versus XIII will be the GREATEST game EVER made!!!

I'd take a bullet for Square-Enix! 

 

g-value said:
@ Wagram

Oh no you didn't. Xenogears's storyline >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every other FF storyline BY FAR. No Final Fantasy story has been as deep, in depth, mature, complex and engorssing as Xenogears' story. Are you sure you were playing the right game?

He was playing Xenosaga (which was decent in its own right)......



I am the Playstation Avenger.

   

No I played and beat Xenogears. I have an original black label copy that I paid a butt load of money for. Not scratched by the way.

Just saying that I like Xenosaga over Xenogears.



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loves2splooge said:
adriane23 said:
iLLmaticV3 said:
Naum said:
iLLmaticV3 said:
More story and less gameplay is what I like most.

Really? well I want more gameplay then cutscenes.

To be honest, I never played a Final Fantasy game for gameplay, thats the least of my worries. Good story/scenery and music is all that matters to me. But to each their own, right? :P

This. The gameplay in Final Fantasy games were nerver the big attraction to the series, so to think they shpould change now is a little unrealistic. Besides, almost the whole second disc of Xenogears was a big cutscene with boss battles thrown in and it is the greatest RPG ever created to me.

Perspectives are changing on this issue. A lot of people who grew up with jrpgs are pretty sick of the genre now precisely because of the narrative focus. Here's the deal. When I first really got into Final Fantasy (VII and VIII to be exact), it was a very novel experience for me. And I was a young teen. I loved that stuff. MGS on the PS1 was also a very fresh experience for me for the same reasons. And I saw the narrative, cutscenes, cinematics, etc. as a reward for a job well done. But fast forward a decade and well, the same stories seem cheesy and at my age, I don't have the patience to trudge through crappy gameplay to uncover more story, especially story that isn't good. If I wanted to watch the cutscenes so badly, theres youtube now. SO4 cutscenes on youtube are great to watch for the lulz (preferably when drunk).

And I discovered visual novels after jrpgs. Visual novels pretty much "ruined" the jrpg narrative for me. Because you get better quality story without all the boring chores to do (boring encounter after boring encounter in long ass dungeons). Not to mention that there are lots of movies, television shows, anime series, manga series and yes, novels that are more fun to go through than playing through a jrpg with an uninspired cookie cutter j-pop emo soap opera narrative or cookie cutter kawaii desu ne narrative or a deadly combination of both (SO4). And guess what? No boring encounters in long dungeons to trudge through when you watch a movie, tv show, anime series, etc. And the big kicker now is that many non-rpg games these days are focusing on story, cutscenes and cinematics these days. In effect, taking away the novelty that jrpgs had.

Jrpgs aren't novel anymore and things now in 2010 aren't like what they were in the 90s and early 2000s. They need to up their game if they want to be relevant. It's time for the genre to evolve or keep catering to the shrinking jrpg base. Gamers demand more now. If we want the gameplay, we have games that give us the great gameplay we want. If we want story, there are games out there you can play that have great stories but without the annoying gameplay.

Personally I think the jrpg situation is much better on handhelds than on consoles though. I don't mind playing jrpgs on handhelds. I'm not entirely sure why but maybe it's for similar reasons than this guy brought up. http://www.destructoid.com/new-rule-every-jrpg-shall-be-portable-125833.phtml It's odd how I get insanely bored playing say SO4 or ToV but yet even something like Pokemon still seems like fun. That's not to say I don't like console jrpgs period but I find that I tend to not like most of them now.

I actaully have a feeling that things are going to change this year though (minus White Knight Chronicles). With jrpgs like Resonance of Fate, Final Fantasy XIII, Tales of Graces, Xenoblade (the greatest jrpg this generation will ever have), Final Fantasy Versus XIII (maybe) and The Last Story, jrpgs on the consoles will get better. All we need now are Persona 4, Valkyria Chronicles 3 (on the consoles) Kingdom Hearts 3 and Disgaea 4 and we are set.



If I made it through the long cutscenes of the complexity that is MGS4, arguably the best game I have played this console generation, I think I can manage the cutscenes in Final Fantasy XIII.



Final Fantasy XIII's combat system looks AMAZING



Wth... gameplay first, story 2nd please square.



~5 TB(Terabytes or 1000 GBs) of cutscenes! /drool