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jarrod on 08 February 2010
Kasz216 said:
NJ5 said:
Kasz216 said:

Still though NJ5... there has to be a more complicated metric then simply Market Share.

 

I mean if the Wii outsells the PS2... will it really be less successful due to it's market share even though it specifically created the new fans that propelled itself to it's larger sales?

For the PS3 who is mostly selling to PS2 fans only that's one thing... but for a console that's created ~33% of it's base and increased the gaming market in a huge way... it's hard to argue against numbers like that.

Hence why such a metric is argueable... it's hard to figure out.

 

I think it's safe to say that the Wii is less successful than the PS2 at capturing the console market as a whole. It may of course be more successful in certain market segments, and at expanding the market, but on the whole I still think the PS2 was more successful.

Now if we want to talk about success in terms of profits, the Wii is surely more successful than the PS2.

 

Fair enough... it seems odd though when comparing success to penalize something for being the own engine of it's destruction in that regard so to speak.

Well if marketshare is the measure, wouldn't that also mean NES was more successful than PS2?  In fact, that makes NES the most successful console in history?



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Kasz216 on 08 February 2010
jarrod said:
Kasz216 said:
NJ5 said:
Kasz216 said:

Still though NJ5... there has to be a more complicated metric then simply Market Share.

 

I mean if the Wii outsells the PS2... will it really be less successful due to it's market share even though it specifically created the new fans that propelled itself to it's larger sales?

For the PS3 who is mostly selling to PS2 fans only that's one thing... but for a console that's created ~33% of it's base and increased the gaming market in a huge way... it's hard to argue against numbers like that.

Hence why such a metric is argueable... it's hard to figure out.

 

I think it's safe to say that the Wii is less successful than the PS2 at capturing the console market as a whole. It may of course be more successful in certain market segments, and at expanding the market, but on the whole I still think the PS2 was more successful.

Now if we want to talk about success in terms of profits, the Wii is surely more successful than the PS2.

 

Fair enough... it seems odd though when comparing success to penalize something for being the own engine of it's destruction in that regard so to speak.

Well if marketshare is the measure, wouldn't that also mean NES was more successful than PS2?  In fact, that makes NES the most successful console in history?


Did NES marketshare beat Atari 2600 market share? I supose so. considering all it's competitors... and that the NES was even beating the Genisis in Japan until Sega came out with the brilliant US market plan which ironically probably led to most of the fanboyism we see today. NES being the most successful console ever i'd argue from a different angle honestly. That angle being that the NES basically recreated the ENTIRE market. Electronic home games pretty much always had a market until the Videogame crash... had the NES not come out, gaming probably STILL would be a thing only to Pcs.

freebs2 on 08 February 2010
XxXProphecyXxX said:
freebs2 said:

In 97/98 there were many killer applications coming....now what is coming?

Resident Evil, Metal Gear, GTA and Tekken are already out....FFXIII in japan didn't performed as well as expected and it's not an exclusive anymore, Gran Turismo 5 has now the strong competiton of Forza Motorsport 3 on 360, God Of War didn't managed to sell more than 3.5million copies so far on Ps2, and I don't think it will do better with the much smaller Ps3's user base, heavy rain is an interesting game but it will unlikely appeal to the mainstream audience.

In 97/98 sony was making profit selling Ps1, at the actual moment they are still losing money underselling the Ps3.

The Ps1 was the most conviniet home console to consumers in 97/98 considering the price of console and the price of games (thanks to CDs), now Ps3 is the most expansive one thanks to blu-rays; a feature that I love but most people don't need, considering that the actual blu-ray share of the home video market is only beetween 10-15% while "on demand" video broadcasting market keeps growing.

One important reason that helped Ps1's large scale succes was the imponent advertisment campaign wich sony started in 96/97, playstation became a UEFA Champions League sponsor since then for example. Now that the playstation brand is well known to the world a new massive ad campaign won't have the same impact as it did in the past.

Ps3 is performing a lot worse than Ps1 at the moment.

 

 

 

@ ff13 comment LOL yeh the game didn't do well it just smashed the famous japanese sales tracker(famitsu) prediction sales for the game.

@GT5 comment even bigger LOL!!! forza? big competition? a game that cant even out sell GT5 proloug? LMFAO! that like saying M.A.G is a big competition to Modern warfare.

@the god of war 3 comment fail, MGS4 released on ps3 with a so much smaller userbase than ps2 yet it outsold MGS3 on ps2 with a MUCH MUCH higher user base.

other than those I agree.

@ff13 I don't know to be honest famitsu predictions but it still remains the least sold FF of the playstation era in japan at the moment, and still when it will come out in US and EU those numbers will split beetween Ps3 and 360 users.

@Forza 2 has outsold GT prologue and Forza 3 will in a few moths it's sales are still growing quite fast, still I don't see why GT5 will be a reason to buy a ps3 while there is already forza on 360.

@GOW3 you may be right, considering how much is hyped it may sell more but still it's only a chance, uncharted 2 for example didn't sold better than Jak and dexter despite it's hype, so far.

 



NJ5 on 08 February 2010
Kasz216 said:

Did NES marketshare beat Atari 2600 market share? I supose so. considering all it's competitors... and that the NES was even beating the Genisis in Japan until Sega came out with the brilliant US market plan which ironically probably led to most of the fanboyism we see today. NES being the most successful console ever i'd argue from a different angle honestly. That angle being that the NES basically recreated the ENTIRE market. Electronic home games pretty much always had a market until the Videogame crash... had the NES not come out, gaming probably STILL would be a thing only to Pcs.

From the data I can find, NES and Atari 2600 both had around 80-85% market share, so I guess you'd have to go into those other factors to differentiate their success.

 



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