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CGI-Quality said:
rocketpig said:
BladeOfGod said:
Uncharted 2 scored 96 on metacritic with MORE REVIEWS than ME2, it has online, better graphics, more replay value... im not saying ME2 is worse (since i haven't played it yet), but looking at the facts, uncharted 2 looks lke a better game

You might want to consider that "more replay value" comment, ESPECIALLY if you haven't played ME2. It's hard to find a game with more replay value than that title. There are something like six (!) vastly different ways to play through the game.

This is true, but Uncharted 2 has co-op/multiplayer modes. There are vastly different ways to play HEAVY RAIN, and I mean a lot, in terms of how to see the story play out, but I wouldn't put it above games with co-op/multiplayer for replay value.

Fair enough but ME2 deserves a lot of credit for convincing people to go back and play ANOTHER GAME just to see how it affects ME2. The possibilities within the game are nearly endless and I challenge you to find another game that offers ME2's replayability in single-player mode (especially when you have to consider that an average ME2 playthrough is well over 20 hours).




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AngelosL said:
These 2 games can't be compared ...Uncharted 2 is an action game and Mass Effect 2 a RPG:p The reviewers only prove that they promote the xbox :P

Indeed. Nobody, except fanboys, denies the qualities of either title, but they are just not comparable, just like Thief is totally different from Deus Ex, despite the stealth element present and very well done in both (but optional in the latter).

It really looks like something fishy is happening between IGN and MS. Should they be bashing Wii games too, I didn't check, it would become even more than a suspect...



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Too many posters in here unable to "deal with it". Why in the hell does it matter what someone elses opinion of a game is, all of you bitching and whining he's wrong are just as bad if not worse than them. Most of you knew from the title you would disagree so why rise to the bait and bother giving them hits for it.



Reasonable said:

1 - there's these things called making of's, interviews, articles, etc. which communicate a great deal regarding design goals - just like films.  If a game interests me enough I'll seek them out and watch them.  Maybe you should - they can be very informative.

2 - just like understanding a film you can just play a game or you can deconstruct it to see what makes it tick.  Compare design decisions to other games, etc.  I consider myself just as able to do this as produce disertations on Kubrick films.  I've also worked on mods, built and released levels (on Unreal engine ironically enough) and know how to code/develop working in the software industry.  In short, I consider myself very capable of discerning a developers goals, as well as being able to see where they were unclear or weak or just poorly realised.  The result is poor gameplay or weaker overall structure: it tends to stand out.

3 - it's pretty clear from my comments that of course I don't mark down older stuff.  That's the point - you consider it relative to its time and what was possible.  Ico was amazing at the time on PS2, and I still judge it as such.  Heck, while I enjoy lot's of the best games today I also consider many titles that came before them superior overall when taken in context - titles like System Shock 1 & 2, Doom and Quake, Deus Ex, Elite, etc. etc.

 

Your second two paragraphs are fine, but again that was Bioware's choice.  I'm the consumer.  If they decide to use middleware to cut costs and the final result is buggier that's their problem and my bone of contention to point out.  ME2 isn't horrible technically by a long shot, but it's not as clean as Uncharted 2 either.  ND chose to build an engine from scratch.  I'm not aware they had to.  This was their choice based on how they operate.  Obviously ND have plenty of access to Sony technicians, but I doubt Bioware or EA would have to shout very loud to get equal assistence from MS (which is to MS credit).

Really, I don't see the point of your post - other than the sense you felt I was somehow slighting Mass Effect 2 by seeing it as a 94% title - wow, what a slight.  Or pointing out factual technial flaws - how outragous.  Or recognising a slightly superior piece of coding as being, well, superior.

As far as I'm concerned, every point I made stands.

Im not debating haha. Im just asking for further clarification because I thought your opinion was interesting. I would term it a discussion rather than a debate, im not interested in proving you wrong.

1. I tend to find the Gamasutra style after-action reports to be the most lucid. In a general sense the making of video interviews are as interesting for thinking about what is not said, vs what is said.

2. My interest in this Uncharted 2 vs Mass Effect 2 is in how both share a lot of similarities and have contrasting approaches in key areas. They are both 96 rated games, they are both exclusive to a particular console, they are both second iterations which have shown marked improvement and they both scored similarly with their prequels. Whats interesting is in some of the key design decisions, especially relating to how they tell their particular stories. To state it simply, Uncharted 2 showed a marked difference between full motion video captured through the game engine and the capabilities of Nathan Drake in regular gameplay. This shows the difficulties of combining the two formats of story delivery into the one game as full motion video cannot be as easily changed. It appears that both sides are opperating on similar but different paradigms.

3. So you score relative to the time and not against a fixed scale, interesting.

 



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dobby985 said:
perpride said:
selnor said:
perpride said:
Dear IGN:

SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

Uncharted 1 >>>>>>>> Mass Effect.

Uncharted 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mass Effect 2.

The very idea that someone would even put Mass Effect in the same league as Uncharted makes me want to laugh my ass off.

So, in conclusion:

FFXIII>>>>>>>>>>>MGS4=FFVII>>>>Uncharted 2>>>>>Life>>>>Diamond>>>>ROADHOUSE>>>>>>Microsoft Surface>>>>>>>Eve Online>>>>>>Avatar>>>>>>Apple iPad>>>>>>>>>>Mass Effect 2!!!

Just to show you how different opinions work:

I would put Mass Effect 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over any JRPG Ive ever played. Interesting.

Dude I was only joking...It's their opinnion. They can say whatever they want. I'll take Final Fantasy XIII over those two games any day of the week. That's my opinnion.

Yeah sure you were! xD

Also why you gotta hate on EVE Online? Is it too difficult for you?

Dude I was seriously kidding lol. I don't hate Eve Online. I only put it low in that little bracket thing becuase I know a lot of ppl who play it so I always drill the game.



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Looks like the article worked. It's got all the so call fanboys worked up. Who gives a shit what fanboys think!!! Both games are amazing in many ways. Any real gamer wouldn't care about 0.1% EVER



 

You wanna have your opinion, then you have to respect different opinions as well.

 


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it doesn't matter because MGS4 racks on both of those titles....



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mgs4 has by far the worst story out of me2 and u2. But me2 takes the cake overall.



the guy its probably pissed uncharted 2 got tons of goty awards and mass effect 2 won't get it.

FF13 it's releasing this year :p