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Forums - Microsoft Discussion - USA: 360 Outsold PS3 by 100,000 Units in November (NPD)

we also don't know if NPD estimated walmart numbers or not.
If they did include walmart numbers, then it might be them who is off...
NPD has retracted and corrected numbers before.



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Damnyouall said:
Of course, if you take the Wall Mart deal into consideration and also that 1,000,000 360s were banned in America by Micorsoft, it's surprising that 360 didn't outsell PS3 by a lot more in the United States.

Well, why don't we take into consideration that Sony released the Slim and cut the price $100?  If we are just looking at the end result, what does it matter how they garnered the sales.  If we look deeper into what the companies had to pay for the sales spike, I am sure Sony will come out with bigger losses.

And there is absolutely no proof that MS banned 1 million consoles.  The only thing out there is a "he said, she said" rumor.



You also need to consider PS3's Black Friday bundles as well, if you're going to count the banned consoles, the walmart deal and the MW2 bundle. Come on. :/



papflesje said:
FKNetwork said:
vg numbers are always off and the last few months this site has turned into a ps3 biased site, that's why a lot of 360 owners no longer post here which is a shame.

So that's why you're suddenly here to mention something when the Xbox 360 does better than expected and we don't see you around when the PS3 is supposedly doing better?

 

Who cares which console sells more, as long as you can enjoy its games and get some information about the numbers. Does it always have to be "my console sells better, nah nah ne nah nah"?


All consoles are selling more than well enough to where their software offerings make all current gen consoles good buys.  I don't see a real problem with this and the reporting of it.  So FKNetwork, get off your biased high horse.  360 owners are still posting on the site.  It's the 360 fanboys who aren't posting because they are the biased ones you are referring to.  It's common sense that where there is positive Wii news, positive Wii news will be reported.  Where there is positive PS3 news, positive PS3 news will be reported.  Where there is positive 360 news, positive 360 news will be reported.  Too bad I had to point that out to you because when good news of a certain console is reported, that news is praised by fans and owners of that console while opponents of it will attack it.  So it's not this site.  It's this site reporting what's going on in life.  If you cannot accept current events and you blame the messenger, then it's you who are biased.  And there are some who run from the truth.  Regardless of how much the PS3 has been selling, it's been doing great since the Slim's release, and the software keeps coming for it.  Maybe most of these "360 owners" are the ones running if you catch my drift.



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Legend11 said:
They're starting to push the 360 pretty hard in Canada now (bundling it with TVs and pressing home the $100 price difference between the lowest priced 360 and PS3 SKUs). If the same is happening in the US I wouldn't be surprised to see the PS3 outsold in December as well.


To be fair, Future Shop (and probably some other retailers) are doing the same thing with the PS3 right now like buying a 40"? Bravia and getting a PS3 free for $1000.  I do agree that the 360 is also the much more popular system in Canada, but the numbers are so small across all consoles in relation to the States that it doesn't make a huge difference either way, albeit a bigger difference than the apparent negative Canadian 360 numbers VGC put up heh.



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drpunk said:
NJ5 said:
So NPD's numbers are:

360: 819.5k
PS3: 710.4k

While VGC's are (taking 10% off to make it USA only):

360: 724.5k
PS3: 756k

So according to NPD, VGC overtracked the PS3 by 6% and undertracked the 360 by 12%. Not as big a difference to make VGC wildly inaccurate.

A+ for maths.

Take off 10% and end up with more than you started with.

A+ for reading comprehension.

Read my post again.

 



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libellule said:
donsterydo2 said:
If it was: PS3 800k vs X360 700k there would be probably like 5 threads about how X360 is doomed, but when it's the oposite PS3-spambots go out and "it's only US" or "who cares PS3 WW outsold it" etc.


but there is already 5 thread about NPD numbers claiming 360 is dominating and forgetting the Wallmart deal or the MW2 bundle ...

On NeoGAF they are banning people for 6 months if they bring up the Walmart deal, MW2 bundles or the XBL bans in the NPD thread.  I wish the mods would do the same here.  Seriously, grow up people.



epinefridis said:

There are times that it is really difficult to calculate these bloodey numbers I suppose.

The great thing about this site is that the margin of error (if we suppose that NPD is 100% right) is very small.

The only thing that happened is that they underestimated the power of XBOX in America, while they did great job with PS3.

The only thing in which I agree is that a lot of people, mostly 360 fans has left the site. The situation in the forums is almost intolerable.

 

So, about the actual numbers...

360 is 500 k console ahead so far this year, when PS3 has the biggest (and better to be honest) lineup and a console relaunch.

What will happen next year (oh my god... halo......)?

360 is a beast!

has it really been that bad?  I've been on very little... got a ton of games to play just finished up CoD:WaW and Dead Space and I got Amped 3 in... I miss playing that game



Damnyouall said:

While there is little doubt that PS3 outsold 360 on a worldwide scale, apparently in the USA 360 outsold PS3 by 100,000 units. While I take it that the vgchartz-numbers include Canada and those of NPD don't, does that mean that the numbers here on vgchartz are a bit off, or did PS3 outsell 360 in Canada by quite a bit to make up for the difference?

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/26472/NPD_Xbox_360_Overtakes_PS3_As_Industry_Revenue_Drops_8.php

EDIT:
Of course, if you take the Wall Mart deal into consideration and also that 1,000,000 360s were banned in America by Microsoft, it's surprising that 360 didn't outsell PS3 by a lot more in the United States. I think it is save to assume that the number of 819,500 Xbox 360s includes way more repeat customers than Sony's 710,400, which means overall PS3's US userbase most likely grew more in November than 360's.


There weren't 1 million 360's banned (worldwide let alone America), get your facts straight, the xbox live head refuted that number in an interview.  Secondly how did the 360 get tracked as -15k in Canada to explain your PS3 outsold it there argument?  Get over it, the 360 was undertracked massively and people on here got carried away with the doom and gloom threads for the 360 as a result.  We all know the 360 was outsold in Others and Japan but these threads are about NPD, not WW.



Darth Tigris said:
libellule said:
donsterydo2 said:
If it was: PS3 800k vs X360 700k there would be probably like 5 threads about how X360 is doomed, but when it's the oposite PS3-spambots go out and "it's only US" or "who cares PS3 WW outsold it" etc.


but there is already 5 thread about NPD numbers claiming 360 is dominating and forgetting the Wallmart deal or the MW2 bundle ...

On NeoGAF they are banning people for 6 months if they bring up the Walmart deal, MW2 bundles or the XBL bans in the NPD thread.  I wish the mods would do the same here.  Seriously, grow up people.

hells no... they are tight enough as it is... this use to be one of the freest forums to post on and the very nature causes interesting fanboy attacks... but now they crack down on stuff to much... use to be if someone posted a stupid comment and you called them out on it you where fine, but now you get banned