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AdventWolf said:

@ManusJustus

I'm a Chrustian and I don't believe Jesus is a God. Some people might believe that because it is their belief or because
they were told by someone and the believe it or they just don't fully understand the diety. I might have thought that he was a God
several years ago but I've learned more since then.

I dont think 'fully understand the diety' is the proper way to explain it, you understand it differently than other people, and from experience I would say most people.  Note that I am American and get most of my ideas of Christianity from Protestants, and I'm sure its different for other people who are mostly around Catholics, Mormons, or other sects.

This argument really wont be solved until someone brings in some scientific polling data that depicts how Christians view Jesus.



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^Are you a Christian? Do you know for sure that the majority of Christians around you believe that?
What I'm getting is that you believe something but you never thought of the other option and when you hear about it
you are like WOAH no way man that is crazy.

It's kind of like you are used to wipe while standing up and then you hear that people wipe while sitting down and you can't
believe that is the right way to do it!

That's just as I see it, you can't post your opinions as actual facts just because you think it is.
I agree though a lot of people that I know probably believe Jesus is a God but they just don't understand.



ManusJustus said:
MontanaHatchet said:

You feel sorry for me? This is almost at the point of flaming. You don't even know me. You obviously know nothing about me, nor what you're talking about. Most Christians do believe Jesus is the son of God. That's correct. However, they don't think he is a god. Didn't I explain this a couple posts back? In fact, haven't I answered all of your points a dozen times? Why you persist on arguing this is beyond me.

Almost at the point of flaming?  I thought the flaming already started when you referred to me as ignorant, idiotic, childish, and deserving of being smacked in the face.

Just do as I said, ask Christians what they think of Jesus.  You'll find that most regard Jesus as a God and they expect to meet both God and Jesus in Heaven.  You can't blame them for this, the Bible is full of instances of Jesus being seperate from God, talking to God whome he refers to as Father, saying that his Father has many mansions in heaven, saying he is God's only son, and the Devil trying to tempt Jesus away from God.

I never called you ignorant. I just said you don't know what you're talking about (and you don't). I never called you idiotic or childish either. What I did was that I called your arguments idiotic (because they didn't make sense), and I called your comebacks childish. If you can't separate yourself from your arguments, that's your own problem. I'm not going to work around it and avoid insulting your words. I originally said that I was facepalming (which means that I was slapping my own face as a sign of exasperation at this continuing, pointless argument). Then you said I should be smacked in the face (and I responded as such). Who is to fault here? Probably the person who originally said that someone should be smacked in the face. Yup, you guessed it. You.

By the way, I am Christian. I'm a Protestant and a Methodist (although I'm sporadic with church visits). Most Christians don't believe Jesus is a God, and if they do, they're not learning the right things. I expect to meet God and Jesus in Heaven myself. I also expect to meet Elvis, John Lennon, Charlie Chaplin, my great grandparents, Billy Mays, Michael Jackson, Ronald Reagan, and a ton of other people. That doesn't mean any of them are a god. I personally don't believe Jesus is the son of God. I think he's a carpenter who became a prophet and had his words misconstrued.

I'm not even going to end this with some definitive statement. Your poor arguments speak for themselves.



 

 

AdventWolf said:
^Are you a Christian? Do you know for sure that the majority of Christians around you believe that?
What I'm getting is that you believe something but you never thought of the other option and when you hear about it
you are like WOAH no way man that is crazy.

It's kind of like you are used to wipe while standing up and then you hear that people wipe while sitting down and you can't
believe that is the right way to do it!

That's just as I see it, you can't post your opinions as actual facts just because you think it is.
I agree though a lot of people that I know probably believe Jesus is a God but they just don't understand.

I was raised Protestant, but now I am not religious.  My ideas of Christianity come from Protestantism, which I would consider mainstream, atleast for America.

Same goes for you, you cant post your opinions as actual facts just because you think it is.



MontanaHatchet said:

Most Christians don't believe Jesus is a God, and if they do, they're not learning the right things.

I personally don't believe Jesus is the son of God. I think he's a carpenter who became a prophet and had his words misconstrued.

There's your problem.  If someone thinks differently than you then they are thinking the wrong things.

And good luck trying to convince other Christians of your 'Jesus is a prophet' idea.  You'll have an easier time telling that to Muslims, who actually believe that, unlike mainstream Christians who think differently than you.



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But if you read the Bible then you will understand, it is just an opinion not a fact.

EDIT: Well anyways sorry for stating my opinions, I know people get very defensive and offended when you go against their beliefs.



ManusJustus said:
MontanaHatchet said:

Most Christians don't believe Jesus is a God, and if they do, they're not learning the right things.

I personally don't believe Jesus is the son of God. I think he's a carpenter who became a prophet and had his words misconstrued.

There's your problem.  If someone thinks differently than you then they are thinking the wrong things.

And good luck trying to convince other Christians of your 'Jesus is a prophet' idea.  You'll have an easier time telling that to Muslims, who actually believe that, unlike mainstream Christianity that think differently than you.

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This is really tiring. I can see why you lose most arguments on this forum. Christianity teaches that Jesus is not a god. If someone learns differently, they're not learning the proper things in Christianity. If someone wants their own religion where they believe that, that's fine. But if they were adhering to the beliefs of Christianity, they would be going against the religion in thinking that Jesus is a god.

I believe Jesus is a prophet because that is my own personal opinion. I go to church (as I mentioned, sporadically) and I feel I am a part of the Methodist community. However, I don't adhere to most Christian beliefs. I don't personally believe that Jesus is the son of God. However, that is what Christianity teaches. And why you brought Muslims into this argument is beyond me.



 

 

There are so many different interpretations that people don't believe everything universally as you believe Manus, speak to a proper Biblical scholar and ask what their beliefs are, they may be different than your own.



MontanaHatchet said:

Christianity teaches that Jesus is not a god.

And that is just plain wrong.



To get back on topic:

God does not necessarily mean church, especially (I think) in the past.

"The separation of church/state" is not in the Constitution but comes from a letter Pres. Jefferson wrote to some Baptists during his term.

But the founders did not want government influencing churches or the national government assigning a specific denomination for the country as Europe does. Most of our colonies had an official church tho.
They did promote religious morality as seen in writings on many of our national monuments.

"in god we trust" is also the national motto along with "e pluribus unum" also on our currency.



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