fmc83 said:
Captendo said:
I have always wondered how a Bayern fan had felt that moment. Now I guess I know it!
Oh, and I think I do know that to suffer means :P
I mean, I'll be 17 this November, yet I saw:
-Juventus - Manchester 2-3
-Juventus - Milan
-Juventus in the Serie B
And this season is easily the worst.
But yeah, I even saw the "5 Maggio": Udinese - Juventus 0-2 and Lazio - Inter 4-2. So awesome!
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Off course you do. I was just screwing around 
You asked me before, how I saw the manipulation scandal in Italy. My italian is based solely on my average latin and french knowledge, so I just get half of the sense, if I read an italian newspaper. But from what I understood and read in German about it, my standpoint was, that this whole thing kind of went the Italian way. First you tell three teams will have to go down, then two and at the end, I was surprised, that at least Juve went down for that. Moggi, as an official man of the club should have know better. It's hard for the tifosi, but in the end it's a small piece of justice. That he didn't get sued was more to some laws Berlusconi-styles than anything else. Actually a bigger shame was what actually happened with Milan - they even played CL the next year (if I remember that right).
We had one case of manipulation in Germany in the last years and the referee actually went to jail after that. Even after that there were lots of improvements by laws and the Liga and it shouldn't happen that easily again. Do you think, that to manipulate a game got harder in Italy since the Moggi-affair?
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Yep, you know a lot of stuff, as always.
Moggi's business wasn't just about "paying referees". It was never proved he actually did something like that. We deserved to get penalized but the trial was run by Guido Rossi, a member of Inter CDA. And Tronchetti Provera himself, the man behind the interceptations, was a member of Inter. But that's the Italian justice for you I guess. After all we have Berlusconi as a premier who keeps making a fool of all of us abroad, while he should be in a jail.
Now in Italy you see manipulated games, or at the very least, referees who make a lot of weird mistakes every single time. Too bad Berlusconi and Moratti managed to cut off Moggi of all his business, so they actually have their hands on anything. Only Tuttosport is the only journal which doesn't support for Milan and Inter. But of course, since it's a piece of crap, it's not thought as a real journal here, like it should be. Yet this should happen for the Gazzetta too, probably for the Corriere which is anyway the "best" among these. So, if a penalty isn't given to the Juve, it's a mistake. If it's not given to Milan (And it never happens), it's a cheat made by comunists against Berlusconi. I'm not joking, it's almost threatened as if it were. And the same goes for Inter. The Milan, his year, had something like one penalty every 3 matches. And they managed not to win.
Oh, and you brought up another topic: in the 2007 the Milan couldn't take part in the Champions, because penalized teams cannot get there. But you know, there is always that little mafia guy called Berlusconi who can...
