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TheRealMafoo on 20 May 2008
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Oh, and wth does to much shooting mean?

That's like deducting points from SMG because there is to much star collecting.

 Actually, it's a pretty good reason to deduct since MGS isn't a shooter.


 I think they have stated that it can be either. You can stealth through it, or play it more like a FPS if you like.



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rocketpig on 20 May 2008
HappySqurriel said:
TheRealMafoo said:
HappySqurriel said:
Zucas said:
Story too complex? Oh come on similar reasons why they marked down on NMH. Said not understandable cause it was punk. Well if they'd fucking understand punk before passing judgement then there wouldn't be a problem. God I hate reviewers.

Complex stories are not necessarily a good or a bad thing, but depending on why they're complex may make it a good or a bad thing ...

In general, I tend to prefer simple plot lines where the complexity in the story comes from character development. As an example of what I mean, the story line of any of the Star Wars prequels is far more complicated than the stories of the original trillogy, but (in my opinion) the original trillogy is far better because the lack of complicated story details allowed characters to be developed fully.

Movies like Van Helsing and Wild Wild West often seem much more silly than movies with a similar tone, like the Mummy, mainly because their story is so complicated that it destroys any believeability.


yea, but movies like "LA Confidential" are far better because they are complex. It all depends on how they do it.


I don't disagree that when well done a complicated story can be great ... I won't get into it too much, but I have always felt that the "Great" storytelling in a lot of games like Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy is far closer to Van Helsing or Transformers than to good literature or movies.


Or most anime. Complexity is only a good thing when it adds to the character development. When things go absurd (a la MGS series), the complexity becomes a burden and the story evolves into a convoluted mess under a shrouded veil of "depth". Depth is usually something that is brought on through subtlety, not by trying to pack in every looney idea that pops into the writer's head.




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libellule on 20 May 2008

11 post and no rocketpig !!

AMAZING !!!

Personnaly, I hope that story will be complex but good
(I m not joking, this possibility exist !)
For the too much shooting, I dont know what to say ...



EDIT rocketpig beat me by 1 post F*** !!!!!

lol


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akuma587 on 20 May 2008

Yeah, I liked the complex story, but from everything I have read MGS4 will not be as self-absorbed as MGS2.



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TheRealMafoo on 20 May 2008
HappySqurriel said:

I don't disagree that when well done a complicated story can be great ... I won't get into it too much, but I have always felt that the "Great" storytelling in a lot of games like Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy is far closer to Van Helsing or Transformers than to good literature or movies.


I agree there. I have yet to play a game that rivals a good movie. Mostly because of pace. The closest would be GTAIV, if you like movies like Goodfellas, or the the TV show The Sopranos.



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CDiablo on 20 May 2008

Hopefully by complex they dont mean nonsensical. Thats lame to knock so much off for what may just mean a well though out, deep story.



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rocketpig on 20 May 2008
akuma587 said:
Yeah, I liked the complex story, but from everything I have read MGS4 will not be as self-absorbed as MGS2.

Thank God for that. I'm looking forward to the game and hope that Kojima tones things down a bit (well, as much as he can given the large plot holes he dug for himself in MGS2).




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libellule on 20 May 2008
HappySqurriel said:
Zucas said:
Story too complex? Oh come on similar reasons why they marked down on NMH. Said not understandable cause it was punk. Well if they'd fucking understand punk before passing judgement then there wouldn't be a problem. God I hate reviewers.

Complex stories are not necessarily a good or a bad thing, but depending on why they're complex may make it a good or a bad thing ...

In general, I tend to prefer simple plot lines where the complexity in the story comes from character development. As an example of what I mean, the story line of any of the Star Wars prequels is far more complicated than the stories of the original trillogy, but (in my opinion) the original trillogy is far better because the lack of complicated story details allowed characters to be developed fully.

Movies like Van Helsing and Wild Wild West often seem much more silly than movies with a similar tone, like the Mummy, mainly because their story is so complicated that it destroys any believeability.


==> huh ???  Why do you bring to us poor movie like WWW or VH ???
Seriously, ur next will be Transformer and 300 ?

 



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Magnific0 on 20 May 2008

well, you can call every MGS game's story "too complex", so I guess this is not an issue.



billy07 on 20 May 2008
rocketpig said:
HappySqurriel said:
TheRealMafoo said:
HappySqurriel said:
Zucas said:
Story too complex? Oh come on similar reasons why they marked down on NMH. Said not understandable cause it was punk. Well if they'd fucking understand punk before passing judgement then there wouldn't be a problem. God I hate reviewers.

Complex stories are not necessarily a good or a bad thing, but depending on why they're complex may make it a good or a bad thing ...

In general, I tend to prefer simple plot lines where the complexity in the story comes from character development. As an example of what I mean, the story line of any of the Star Wars prequels is far more complicated than the stories of the original trillogy, but (in my opinion) the original trillogy is far better because the lack of complicated story details allowed characters to be developed fully.

Movies like Van Helsing and Wild Wild West often seem much more silly than movies with a similar tone, like the Mummy, mainly because their story is so complicated that it destroys any believeability.


yea, but movies like "LA Confidential" are far better because they are complex. It all depends on how they do it.


I don't disagree that when well done a complicated story can be great ... I won't get into it too much, but I have always felt that the "Great" storytelling in a lot of games like Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy is far closer to Van Helsing or Transformers than to good literature or movies.


Or most anime. Complexity is only a good thing when it adds to the character development. When things go absurd (a la MGS series), the complexity becomes a burden and the story evolves into a convoluted mess under a shrouded veil of "depth". Depth is usually something that is brought on through subtlety, not by trying to pack in every looney idea that pops into the writer's head.


 Still buying the game? :P Story "too" complex, and same "mistakes" made as in MGS2? Things aren't looking too good for you in MGS4 land...