My only concern for the whole situation is games like No more hero's and Zak and Wiki, I mean it's like I hear forum after forum after forum bitching about 3rd party support on the Wii, then someone gives it to you in spades and they sell like ass >< I'm not going to say that 3rd party quality titles WON'T sell, but when Suda can put out a game like No More hero's then look at the sales figures next to something god awful like Mario Party 8 or Carnival games, it REALLY makes you think. It's not that the Wii can't play fantastic games, it's just it seems ripped and ready for cheap cash-ins :/
I can't believe this is still brought up. Haven't you heard that both, Capcom and Suda, were satisfied with the sales of their respective games? Zack & Wiki and No More Heroes met sales expectations.
But then there wouldn't be an argument if these games' success were acknowledged.
It seems like an evolution of the 3rd party argument to me. We have gone from 3rd party games not selling, to the wrong 3rd party games are selling. The baffling part being that there was no "wrong" 3rd party game before this generation.
I've seen two variations of it. The first I like to call the "1 million debacle." Despite the fact that both of these games are quite obviously successful, there are those that don't accept this because it did not reach 1 million sales. For a sales site it surprises me how few people seem to understand that the 1 million benchmark is not needed for success or profit.
The second variation is the "I sold more than you!" argument. The detractor will acknowledge that the game is successful in its own right, but they absolutely must find a way to diminish this success for their argument, so they will find a game that sold more than it and wave it around as if it nullified or canceled out the game in question. It doesn't.
What I find most fascinating are the villains, however. Carnival Games and Mario Party 8.
I had never heard of Carnival Games before I came to this forum. No one I know seems to know anything about the game. And yet it is constantly cited on this site to be the bane of everyone's existence. I don't really see it get attacked on other sites, even when they talk about Wii shovelware, and yet this game is only second to Wii Fit when it comes to 'destroying the industry' around these forums. The majority of the people fixated on the game as a source of evil have never even played it. How odd.
Mario Party 8 baffles me moreso than Carnival Games, however. This is the 8th Mario Party after all, and yet it is constantly cited as some sort of debacle. What happened with this game? What went wrong? ...did anythign actually go wrong? I can't really find anything about this Mario Party that makes it so different from the others to be contantly in the crosshairs, and I can never seem to get an explanation as to why this Mario game in particular is expected not to sell for "not being stellar enough." I thought people had come to the realization that Mario sells, yet Mario Party 8 is always said to be that terrible game that shouldn't. Why?