What is the huge difference that makes you being here over ok us being there not?  If we make you sick then you must make yourself sick because you are part of the same type of thing.

The difference between the two is section 8 has already grown and is better than this place.  If this place was created back when we 1st wanted it then we wouldnt have a problem but it came to late.

Finally, I would ask both Kenzo, ioi, and frankly everyone to ratchet down the emotions a bit. Lets work on solving the problem and find out if we can reach a solution that works for everyone before we go off the deep end and cause some sort of fracture. I don't think Kenzo is trying to undermine the site and I don't think ioi wants to ban a group of his best members. So lets calm down and figure out how to fix the problem.

In short, let cooler heads prevail.

ioi said:
Wow, I can't believe some of these replies.

I think PDF summed up my problem with "section 8":

This is the issue here. This is why you don't want to have section 8 on vgchartz and this is why you are basically stabbing vgchartz and all the hard work that has gone into it in the back. You don't want to conform to our rules and the way we chose to run the site so you go to create your own - you expect me to be cool with that? ( it has nothing to do with who´s rules we conform to... we just would like a place where we can discuss things with the people we want to discuss them with, there is nothing wrong or elitist about that)

There is nothing "elitist" about how my section 8 works - that is the whole point. In theory anyone who has proved themself as a contributor to the site by number of posts (the best metric I have to measure somebody by) is free to use section 8. What you are doing is purposely excluding certain members because you don't like them - that is being elitist. That is the distinction that I have a problem with. It is not down to me, or the mod team or the team who run vgchartz, it is down to 2-3 self-nominated people who are in effect, it seems, trying to lead some kind of "uprising" against the site. ( we are not uprising against anybody... we love VGChartz and want to stay here... and we are not purposley excluding people we don´t like... we just like to chose our friends had have discussions with them without being disturbed all the time)

Evidence of talking about members behind their backs include the obvious comments such as "Soriku may have found out about the section 8 on vgchartz but he can never find out about this one" - comments such as that (not quoted directly but that was the general theme) are unacceptable imo. (yeah your right, no one has ever made a little fun of another member on VGChartz and gotten away with it... Soriku is just a synonym for people who post to much in the eyes of others... I like Soriku... others don´t... but should people not have a choice in who they discuss things with... how mayn requests for a "ignore user" button have you gotten for this site ??? I bet its more than you can count... there is a reason for that...)

"we have progressed past it", "our section 8 is a safer place", "we can have the experience we want" - hardly for the greater good of vgchartz is it? Safer in what way - safer from anyone finding out about it? Somebody please give me one example of how forming a seperate forum that only 50 people are invited to is going to in any way benefit vgchartz? (we get to grow stronger as a community that way... I now know most of Sec8 members with their first name, how old they are, if they are married, what they do for a living, what their hobbys are what their pets names are , what music they like...hell I even played some chess with one of them... you can´t do that with a huge anonymous group... I think this benefits VGChartz in a lot of ways..)

And I am not hurt that I wasn't invited. I am hurt by the playground "lets do all this stuff behind the teacher's back" mentality of it all - like you are seeing how much you can push things before anyone "finds out". I'm sorry but I thought we were far more mature than that. ( And I though you were more mature than to sneek in behind our backs, observe us without letting us know and then selecting information and posting it here to make us look bad... maybe this is the kind of stuff that encurages people to want private chats in the first place ???)

And to those who say I am being elitist or wrong for trying to stop people meeting others where they want - I am not trying to stop that. If you can't understand my point of view and why I am angry about this then it is pointless responding to this thread. It isn't the fact a few people have got together to chat outside of vgchartz - that is fine by me - it is the underhand and secretive way you have gone about it - why didn't somebody tell me, ask me if I could create something on vgchartz? Why all change your sigs to tease everyone? Why use codes and ciphers to confuse everyone who isn't good enough to be invited to your site? Why can't you see what is wrong here? (We did create somthing on VGChartz... we didn´t tell you and that was wrong... but it was looked so it didn´t seem like you wanted private areas on VGChartz... the hole signature idea was to show that we are open about it and not hiding anything... we did´t want to mock anybody... had we made a thread it would have looked like "haha we are better than you"... we didn´t want that... maybe the sigs where a bad idea and made a wrong impression... I appologise to anybody who was insulted)

I have long been toying with the idea of having "chat rooms" on vgchartz - permanent chat areas that can be set up by members where you can invite a group of friends and have a private chat about things - not instant messaging just like mini-forums. But hey, obviously a bad idea given all this.

I can't and don't want to stop you guys from using "section 8.1". You are all adults and you are free to do whatever you want. I just want you all to know my disppointment and anger in what you are doing - how it goes totally against my principles of freedom of speech and the open debate I have strived for and worked hard to achieve on vgchartz. (I´m sorry for any dissapointment and anger that was caused... I can´t speak for the other members but this is not what we wanted to accive... I still don´t see how section8 goes against your principles of freedom of speech and open debate... you just said "I have long been toying with the idea of having "chat rooms" on vgchartz - permanent chat areas that can be set up by members where you can invite a group of friends and have a private chat about things - not instant messaging just like mini-forums." thats what Section8 is and I don´t see how this is n conflict with freedom of speech and open debate.)