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What generation is the Nintendo Switch?

Generation 8 (PS4, XBoxOne) 71 44.94%
 
Generation 9 57 36.08%
 
Generation 1 (of the hybrid era) 14 8.86%
 
I don't care...I come to VGC for the chicks 16 10.13%
 
Total:158
Pemalite said:
Shiken said:
The Samsung Galaxy Tab can be tied to ANY wifi device at ANY location, and therefore is fully portable.  Your WiiU gamepad is tied to your WiiU home console and nothing else...because ya know...it is a dedicated home console.

I guess you don't understand what the concept of a device being a "Hybrid" is. It is something that bridges two different things... In this instance, fixed and portable. - The WiiU is exactly that kind of device where the Gamepad is a portable off-screen gaming device. - With some limitations.

Now the WiiU Gamepad can be tied to ANY WiiU base station. - Just like the Galaxy Tab can be tied to any Wifi base station. - They aren't dissimilar as you might think. - Wifi tends to have similar range limitations as well.

 

They are completely dissimilar.  A Galaxy Tab will have the same game data and progress with you at all times.  This is what makes it truly portable.  A WiiU Gamepad is a controller with a screen and nothing more.  If I take my gamepad to a friend's house, I am not taking the digital games or save progress with me.  It is no different than taking a dual shock 4 to another PS4.

 

The WiiU gamepad is not a portable device, it is a controller with the added feature of off screen play.  This does not make the WiiU a portable hybrid device, no matter how much you want to believe it to be so.  It does no processing, stores no data, and is unplayable away from the home console.  It really is not that hard to tell the two apart.



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Shiken said:

They are completely dissimilar.  A Galaxy Tab will have the same game data and progress with you at all times.  This is what makes it truly portable.  A WiiU Gamepad is a controller with a screen and nothing more.  If I take my gamepad to a friend's house, I am not taking the digital games or save progress with me.  It is no different than taking a dual shock 4 to another PS4.

You can transfer data between consoles. Not overtly difficult.

Either way... The WiiU allows for (Albeit limited) portable off-screen gaming independent of the base console. - Meaning it is a hybrid design that deviates from traditional consoles that rely on an external display.

Shiken said:

The WiiU gamepad is not a portable device, it is a controller with the added feature of off screen play.  This does not make the WiiU a portable hybrid device, no matter how much you want to believe it to be so.


You can pick the WiiU gamepad up and move around with it. Making it portable.

"portable definition: 1. light and small enough to be easily carried or moved: 2. possible to take with you if you move to a different place or job: 3. small and light ..."
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/portable

Shiken said:

 It does no processing, stores no data, and is unplayable away from the home console.  It really is not that hard to tell the two apart.

False.
The WiiU Gamepad features a small chip which allows for the processing of streams. - h.264 decoding isn't done by magic you know. - Obviously there will also be associated caches for buffering that as well.

Shiken said:

This does not make the WiiU a portable hybrid device, no matter how much you want to believe it to be so.

Good thing I am not the only one who believes it.
These guys believe the WiiU to be a hybrid: https://digitalbounds.com/2016/10/20/the-nintendo-switch-is-a-better-wii-u-hybrid-everything-we-know/
These guys agree as well: https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/30/nintendo-says-switch-will-beat-wii-u/

The main difference between the Hybrid natures of the Switch and WiiU is actually pretty simple.
The WiiU is a fixed console first, not a portable... Where-as the Switch is a Portable first, not a fixed console.

The WiiU is able to be used like a traditional fixed console Aka. Xbox/Playstation or as a handheld. Like the Switch. - Meaning it is 100% a hybrid device.

Otherwise, you might as well also state that the Switch isn't a Hybrid either... And that just would fly in the face of Nintendo's advertising material now would it?



Pemalite said:
Shiken said:

They are completely dissimilar.  A Galaxy Tab will have the same game data and progress with you at all times.  This is what makes it truly portable.  A WiiU Gamepad is a controller with a screen and nothing more.  If I take my gamepad to a friend's house, I am not taking the digital games or save progress with me.  It is no different than taking a dual shock 4 to another PS4.

You can transfer data between consoles. Not overtly difficult.

Either way... The WiiU allows for (Albeit limited) portable off-screen gaming independent of the base console. - Meaning it is a hybrid design that deviates from traditional consoles that rely on an external display.

Shiken said:

The WiiU gamepad is not a portable device, it is a controller with the added feature of off screen play.  This does not make the WiiU a portable hybrid device, no matter how much you want to believe it to be so.


You can pick the WiiU gamepad up and move around with it. Making it portable.

"portable definition: 1. light and small enough to be easily carried or moved: 2. possible to take with you if you move to a different place or job: 3. small and light ..."
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/portable

Shiken said:

 It does no processing, stores no data, and is unplayable away from the home console.  It really is not that hard to tell the two apart.

False.
The WiiU Gamepad features a small chip which allows for the processing of streams. - h.264 decoding isn't done by magic you know. - Obviously there will also be associated caches for buffering that as well.

Shiken said:

This does not make the WiiU a portable hybrid device, no matter how much you want to believe it to be so.

Good thing I am not the only one who believes it.
These guys believe the WiiU to be a hybrid: https://digitalbounds.com/2016/10/20/the-nintendo-switch-is-a-better-wii-u-hybrid-everything-we-know/
These guys agree as well: https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/30/nintendo-says-switch-will-beat-wii-u/

The main difference between the Hybrid natures of the Switch and WiiU is actually pretty simple.
The WiiU is a fixed console first, not a portable... Where-as the Switch is a Portable first, not a fixed console.

The WiiU is able to be used like a traditional fixed console Aka. Xbox/Playstation or as a handheld. Like the Switch. - Meaning it is 100% a hybrid device.

Otherwise, you might as well also state that the Switch isn't a Hybrid either... And that just would fly in the face of Nintendo's advertising material now would it?

Well I am done with this.  You are doing nothing but twist words and definitions while ignoring the entire point.  Have a nice day and a Merry Xmas!

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Shiken said:
Pemalite said:

You can transfer data between consoles. Not overtly difficult.

Either way... The WiiU allows for (Albeit limited) portable off-screen gaming independent of the base console. - Meaning it is a hybrid design that deviates from traditional consoles that rely on an external display.


You can pick the WiiU gamepad up and move around with it. Making it portable.

"portable definition: 1. light and small enough to be easily carried or moved: 2. possible to take with you if you move to a different place or job: 3. small and light ..."
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/portable

False.
The WiiU Gamepad features a small chip which allows for the processing of streams. - h.264 decoding isn't done by magic you know. - Obviously there will also be associated caches for buffering that as well.

Good thing I am not the only one who believes it.
These guys believe the WiiU to be a hybrid: https://digitalbounds.com/2016/10/20/the-nintendo-switch-is-a-better-wii-u-hybrid-everything-we-know/
These guys agree as well: https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/30/nintendo-says-switch-will-beat-wii-u/

The main difference between the Hybrid natures of the Switch and WiiU is actually pretty simple.
The WiiU is a fixed console first, not a portable... Where-as the Switch is a Portable first, not a fixed console.

The WiiU is able to be used like a traditional fixed console Aka. Xbox/Playstation or as a handheld. Like the Switch. - Meaning it is 100% a hybrid device.

Otherwise, you might as well also state that the Switch isn't a Hybrid either... And that just would fly in the face of Nintendo's advertising material now would it?

Well I am done with this.  You are doing nothing but twist words and definitions while ignoring the entire point.  Have a nice day and a Merry Xmas!

Pemalite isn’t twisting words and definitions. He’s actually applying the meaning of said words and definition as they are.

The Wii U is a hybrid console, even if it has limitations that the Switch doesn’t have.

It is portable in a much more limited fashion than the Switch. Requiring the main console to function and serve as its wi-fi hub. But there is no denying it is still portable. 

The way you argue about it, one could do the same with the Switch and say it isn’t a hybrid. It’s a portable, because similar to the Wii U Gamepad’s off TV feature, it requires a dock to function. If the Gamepad doesn’t make the Wii U an hybrid console, then the dock doesn’t make the Switch an hybrid console either. After all, it does no processing, stores no data, and is unplayable away from the portable unit.



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Hynad said:
Shiken said:

Well I am done with this.  You are doing nothing but twist words and definitions while ignoring the entire point.  Have a nice day and a Merry Xmas!

Pemalite isn’t twisting words and definitions. He’s actually applying the meaning of said words and definition as they are.

The Wii U is a hybrid console, even if it has limitations that the Switch doesn’t have.

It is portable in a much more limited fashion than the Switch. Requiring the main console to function and serve as its wi-fi hub. But there is no denying it is still portable. 

The way you argue about it, one could do the same with the Switch and say it isn’t a hybrid. It’s a portable, because similar to the Wii U Gamepad’s off TV feature, it requires a dock to function. If the Gamepad doesn’t make the Wii U an hybrid console, then the dock doesn’t make the Switch an hybrid console either. After all, it does no processing, stores no data, and is unplayable away from the portable unit.

The gamepad is nothing more than a wireless controller to a home console with a screen.  The distance is no different from a PS4 or X1 controller.  It is by definition a controller that allows for off screen play.  You cannot play it without the home console being within the same range as any other home console.  Did the concept help with the conception of the Switch?  Probably.  But that does not make it anything more than a console with off screen play?  Not at all.  The Vita/PS4 remote play is more of a portable hybrid than the WiiU will ever be.

 

What makes the Switch a hybrid is that you have one device that either boosts performance when docked to the TV or downscales as needed for handheld mode.  The device itself functions differently depending on how you are using it.  You use the same games, save file, etc be it at home or on the go (the WiiU cannot even be played on the go as the range is no different than any other controller). It takes the same resources and alters how they are used based on if it is being used as a console, or a portable device.  This makes it a console/portable hybrid.

 

But you are free to believe what you want.  If you think playing a game with the same limitations as any other console with off screen play makes it portable, so be it.  Either way it will not change what it is, a home console.



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Shiken said:
Hynad said:

Pemalite isn’t twisting words and definitions. He’s actually applying the meaning of said words and definition as they are.

The Wii U is a hybrid console, even if it has limitations that the Switch doesn’t have.

It is portable in a much more limited fashion than the Switch. Requiring the main console to function and serve as its wi-fi hub. But there is no denying it is still portable. 

The way you argue about it, one could do the same with the Switch and say it isn’t a hybrid. It’s a portable, because similar to the Wii U Gamepad’s off TV feature, it requires a dock to function. If the Gamepad doesn’t make the Wii U an hybrid console, then the dock doesn’t make the Switch an hybrid console either. After all, it does no processing, stores no data, and is unplayable away from the portable unit.

The gamepad is nothing more than a wireless controller to a home console with a screen.  The distance is no different from a PS4 or X1 controller.  It is by definition a controller that allows for off screen play.  You cannot play it without the home console being within the same range as any other home console.  Did the concept help with the conception of the Switch?  Probably.  But that does not make it anything more than a console with off screen play?  Not at all.  The Vita/PS4 remote play is more of a portable hybrid than the WiiU will ever be.

 

What makes the Switch a hybrid is that you have one device that either boosts performance when docked to the TV or downscales as needed for handheld mode.  The device itself functions differently depending on how you are using it.  You use the same games, save file, etc be it at home or on the go (the WiiU cannot even be played on the go as the range is no different than any other controller). It takes the same resources and alters how they are used based on if it is being used as a console, or a portable device.  This makes it a console/portable hybrid.

 

But you are free to believe what you want.  If you think playing a game with the same limitations as any other console with off screen play makes it portable, so be it.  Either way it will not change what it is, a home console.

The range of the wifi connection with the console doesn’t make it not portable.

I can leave the Wii U in the living room, go into another room, with the TV out of sight, yet keep playing remotely via the gamepad’s screen.

I can turn it on even if the main console isn’t in the same room, and start playing right away.

That’s portable enough in my book. 

So yeah, what you are saying will not change what it is, a hybrid.



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I'm sorry but this Wii U is a hybrid argument is flawed the Wii U is a home console with a tablet controller otherwise you may as well say the PS3 and PS4 are hybrids because of the connectivity to Vita, portable platform means full on portable not being limited to a range of a stationary console unit. Wii U is not a hybrid.



Hynad said:
Shiken said:

The gamepad is nothing more than a wireless controller to a home console with a screen.  The distance is no different from a PS4 or X1 controller.  It is by definition a controller that allows for off screen play.  You cannot play it without the home console being within the same range as any other home console.  Did the concept help with the conception of the Switch?  Probably.  But that does not make it anything more than a console with off screen play?  Not at all.  The Vita/PS4 remote play is more of a portable hybrid than the WiiU will ever be.

 

What makes the Switch a hybrid is that you have one device that either boosts performance when docked to the TV or downscales as needed for handheld mode.  The device itself functions differently depending on how you are using it.  You use the same games, save file, etc be it at home or on the go (the WiiU cannot even be played on the go as the range is no different than any other controller). It takes the same resources and alters how they are used based on if it is being used as a console, or a portable device.  This makes it a console/portable hybrid.

 

But you are free to believe what you want.  If you think playing a game with the same limitations as any other console with off screen play makes it portable, so be it.  Either way it will not change what it is, a home console.

The range of the wifi connection with the console doesn’t make it not portable.

I can leave the Wii U in the living room, go into another room, with the TV out of sight, yet keep playing remotely via the gamepad’s screen.

I can turn it on even if the main console isn’t in the same room, and start playing right away.

That’s portable enough in my book. 

So yeah, what you are saying will not change what it is, a hybrid.

You know what the difference between a home console and a portable is?  A portable can effectively be used ANYWHERE.  A home console must be used at home or tied to a specific vicinity around it.  They usually require a AC power outlet to supply it power in that home during operation.

The WiiU is played at home, no matter what room you are in and is dependent on the home console aspect of it, as the gamepad (controller with a screen) cannot function without it.  This makes it a home console as it cannot be taken with you and played independently.

The Switch is a Hybrid, as it can function either way and actually be taken and used effectively anywhere making it both a console and a portable as it has specific functions unique to both methods.



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The WiiU is definitely not a hybrid console. It is the stop gap between home consoles and hybrid consoles, but in no way shape or form a true hybrid. The range of the WiiU's gamepad was so terrible I was forced to play in the same room as the console at all times. I'm sure if you lived in a small house or apartment the portability would be genuine in that respect, but the moment you left your house or apartment you would be essentially carrying a useless brick that wouldn't even offer basic operations like a calculator or notepad, much less a portable gaming device.



Conina said:
drinkandswim said:
Everyone that is saying Switch is Generation 9 has to at least agree that Xbox One X is Generation 9. Just because it is still technically an Xbox One doesn't really mean much. Then PS4 Pro could also be considered Generation 9. Switch IMO isn't Generation 9 it is a replacement for Generation 8 Failure Wii U. I would go with Generation 8.5 for Switch, PS4 Pro and Xbox One.

100% of Xbox One X games also run on the Xbox One (S). Their libraries are identical, so why should they be different generations?

100% of PS4 Pro games also run on the PS4. Their libraries are identical, so why should they be different generations?

0% of the Switch games run on the 3DS/n3DS or WiiU.

The logic is technological advancement. Technically as a Console Xbox One X is a bigger leap over the Xbox One than the Switch is over the Wii U. I just don't see any of these Consoles as Generation 9. I see the systems coming in 2020 as Generation 9.