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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
TH3-D0S3R said:

This idea that Socialism/Communism can even work is flawed and downright impossible. The reason many college kids that I see tend to have more socialist tendencies is because they live in a perfect world in which everything is paid for by their parents and thus they don't have to worry about a thing. Once they experience the real world they'll quickly realize nothing is ever given to you for free and no person should ever take their possessions away from them. My cash and my belongings are mine, and no one is entitled to take them from me. Name for me one successful country in the world that implemented socialism/communism and wasn't reliant on the US for anything in foreign aid. Odds are, there are none, because there are no successful countries that implement it.

As for the second point, I fail to see how it's Trump's fault people go to court for stupid reasons. This falls in line with the point that humans are stupid and will do stupid things. Trump does it himself since he was CEO of a company and many people wanted a shot at his wealth (he can also be petty in other instances too, especially if the other said idiot crosses the line). There are many dumb cases that exist around the world, so I don't see how this is relevant. Feel free to rephrase, I just cant understand it.

I won't just give you 1 country, I'll give you 10. Here is a list of some of the most successful socialist countries in the world at the moment....

 

  • China
  • Denmark
  • Finland
  • Netherlands
  • Canada
  • Sweden
  • Norway
  • Ireland
  • New Zealand
  • Belgium

Everyone seems to forget just how successful an economy China has and its still a socialist/communist country. Both the IMF and the World Bank now rate China as the world’s largest economy based on Purchasing Power Parity (PPP), a measure that adjusts countries’ GDPs for differences in prices. In simple terms, this means that because your money stretches further in China than it would in the US, China’s GDP is adjusted upwards. It won’t be too long before China’s economy surpasses the US’s by other measures, too. 

I didn't say it is Trump's fault, I said Trump now has the power to change, remove and add laws to stop the crazy litigious aspects of US society as the current laws remove personal responsibility.

Last edited by CartBlanche - on 16 May 2018

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CartBlanche said:
TH3-D0S3R said:

This idea that Socialism/Communism can even work is flawed and downright impossible. The reason many college kids that I see tend to have more socialist tendencies is because they live in a perfect world in which everything is paid for by their parents and thus they don't have to worry about a thing. Once they experience the real world they'll quickly realize nothing is ever given to you for free and no person should ever take their possessions away from them. My cash and my belongings are mine, and no one is entitled to take them from me. Name for me one successful country in the world that implemented socialism/communism and wasn't reliant on the US for anything in foreign aid. Odds are, there are none, because there are no successful countries that implement it.

As for the second point, I fail to see how it's Trump's fault people go to court for stupid reasons. This falls in line with the point that humans are stupid and will do stupid things. Trump does it himself since he was CEO of a company and many people wanted a shot at his wealth (he can also be petty in other instances too, especially if the other said idiot crosses the line). There are many dumb cases that exist around the world, so I don't see how this is relevant. Feel free to rephrase, I just cant understand it.

I won't just give you 1 country, I'll give you 10. Here is a list of some of the most successful socialist countries in the world at the moment....

 

  • China
  • Denmark
  • Finland
  • Netherlands
  • Canada
  • Sweden
  • Norway
  • Ireland
  • New Zealand
  • Belgium

Everyone seems to forget just how successful an economy China has and its still a socialist/communist country. Both the IMF and the World Bank now rate China as the world’s largest economy based on Purchasing Power Parity (PPP), a measure that adjusts countries’ GDPs for differences in prices. In simple terms, this means that because your money stretches further in China than it would in the US, China’s GDP is adjusted upwards. It won’t be too long before China’s economy surpasses the US’s by other measures, too. 

I didn't say it is Trump's fault, I said Trump now has the power to change, remove and add laws to stop the crazy litigious aspects of US society as the current laws remove personal responsibility.

China should be FAR ahead of where the US is now if you look at baseline statistics. They have a population of 1.5 billion and cant out-produce a country 1/5 its size based on population.

https://data.worldbank.org/country/china

Another thing you fail to mention is why China's annual growth is going to be down in the upcoming years, and it's a failure that is made by socialism. The child birth laws are direct socialist action by the government trying to get involve in peoples' personal lives. I understand that China has an overpopulation issue, but the laws the government set in place is NOT what you want right now. China is currently in a phase where their economy is starting to get better. The appropriate thing to do would be continue to increase the population, that way more innovations can be made and everyone can live better lives. The best example of this is in the USA. America was shitty before the start of the 20th century, but the government promoted growth and expansion. More kids were born into farm families as utilities for the time, something that would seem inhumane today. Next thing you know, these kids are growing up and can picture in their heads ideas that would make life easier. Next thing you know you have tractors and tills instead of ox and plow. In 1850 you were lucky to be able to sustain 10 acres of farmland. Today, small farms where I live are 200 acres and up. China is in this period of growth, however the government is more worried about controlling its citizens rather than expanding to improve daily lives.

This is why socialism will always fail, it cares more about sustaining then it does growing, which is why socialist countries are never relevant. Outside of China, name one of those countries that is a power. On top of that, we defend 9 out of those 10 countries abroad (also, according to Denmark's PM, they aren't socialist https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/ . This is just a lie told by Bernie Sanders because his first example of Venezuela backfired the first time). If we didn't get involved Germany could just march into Denmark and say this is ours now. America is the world police not because we want to, we're just the only ones who are capable of doing it. American GDP outranks the entirety of the EU. I'm not trying to brag, but that is beyond amazing to me.

To me there has only been one slightly successful country that was socialist, all because they decided to promote growth. Unfortunately it was the Nazis, and they were a bunch of shit human beings.



SpokenTruth said:
Snoopy said:
The goal of socialism is communism. That is all.

Thank you for that post.  It informs us all we need to know about future dialog with you regarding socialism.

Translation: I WANT WHAT YOU HAVE WAHH WAHHH WAHHH!!!!!



TH3-D0S3R said:
CartBlanche said:

I won't just give you 1 country, I'll give you 10. Here is a list of some of the most successful socialist countries in the world at the moment....

 

  • China
  • Denmark
  • Finland
  • Netherlands
  • Canada
  • Sweden
  • Norway
  • Ireland
  • New Zealand
  • Belgium

Everyone seems to forget just how successful an economy China has and its still a socialist/communist country. Both the IMF and the World Bank now rate China as the world’s largest economy based on Purchasing Power Parity (PPP), a measure that adjusts countries’ GDPs for differences in prices. In simple terms, this means that because your money stretches further in China than it would in the US, China’s GDP is adjusted upwards. It won’t be too long before China’s economy surpasses the US’s by other measures, too. 

I didn't say it is Trump's fault, I said Trump now has the power to change, remove and add laws to stop the crazy litigious aspects of US society as the current laws remove personal responsibility.

China should be FAR ahead of where the US is now if you look at baseline statistics. They have a population of 1.5 billion and cant out-produce a country 1/5 its size based on population.

https://data.worldbank.org/country/china

Another thing you fail to mention is why China's annual growth is going to be down in the upcoming years, and it's a failure that is made by socialism. The child birth laws are direct socialist action by the government trying to get involve in peoples' personal lives. I understand that China has an overpopulation issue, but the laws the government set in place is NOT what you want right now. China is currently in a phase where their economy is starting to get better. The appropriate thing to do would be continue to increase the population, that way more innovations can be made and everyone can live better lives. The best example of this is in the USA. America was shitty before the start of the 20th century, but the government promoted growth and expansion. More kids were born into farm families as utilities for the time, something that would seem inhumane today. Next thing you know, these kids are growing up and can picture in their heads ideas that would make life easier. Next thing you know you have tractors and tills instead of ox and plow. In 1850 you were lucky to be able to sustain 10 acres of farmland. Today, small farms where I live are 200 acres and up. China is in this period of growth, however the government is more worried about controlling its citizens rather than expanding to improve daily lives.

This is why socialism will always fail, it cares more about sustaining then it does growing, which is why socialist countries are never relevant. Outside of China, name one of those countries that is a power. On top of that, we defend 9 out of those 10 countries abroad (also, according to Denmark's PM, they aren't socialist https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/ . This is just a lie told by Bernie Sanders because his first example of Venezuela backfired the first time). If we didn't get involved Germany could just march into Denmark and say this is ours now. America is the world police not because we want to, we're just the only ones who are capable of doing it. American GDP outranks the entirety of the EU. I'm not trying to brag, but that is beyond amazing to me.

To me there has only been one slightly successful country that was socialist, all because they decided to promote growth. Unfortunately it was the Nazis, and they were a bunch of shit human beings.

You asked for 1 sucessful example, and YOU said you doubted 1 existed, I gave you 10 and you still complain. You whine a lot when wrong don't you?

China is very conscious about over population on the limited land mass it currently controls. If it starts invading local countries to support a growing population , you'll be complaining how socialism/communism are oppressors and arseholes to their neighbours. Overpopulation lowers quality of life for all citizens. 

Population growth for the sake of it won't help countries. Now is the time for intelligence, not throwing more bodies and mouths to feed at the problem. Populations need to be streamlined so that economies get more bang for their population Buck. This will raise the quality of life for all concerned.

You don't seem to grasp that unlimited population growth is not possible . Both space and resources are finite. With those constraints how will the US increase its population to let's say, 2 billion just in the US land mass, without everyone not turning on itself or the US trying to invade all of South America to let the population overflow?? You definitely haven't thought through the the long term repercussions of unlimited population growth.



TH3-D0S3R said:

China should be FAR ahead of where the US is now if you look at baseline statistics. They have a population of 1.5 billion and cant out-produce a country 1/5 its size based on population.

https://data.worldbank.org/country/china

Another thing you fail to mention is why China's annual growth is going to be down in the upcoming years, and it's a failure that is made by socialism. The child birth laws are direct socialist action by the government trying to get involve in peoples' personal lives. I understand that China has an overpopulation issue, but the laws the government set in place is NOT what you want right now. China is currently in a phase where their economy is starting to get better. The appropriate thing to do would be continue to increase the population, that way more innovations can be made and everyone can live better lives. The best example of this is in the USA. America was shitty before the start of the 20th century, but the government promoted growth and expansion. More kids were born into farm families as utilities for the time, something that would seem inhumane today. Next thing you know, these kids are growing up and can picture in their heads ideas that would make life easier. Next thing you know you have tractors and tills instead of ox and plow. In 1850 you were lucky to be able to sustain 10 acres of farmland. Today, small farms where I live are 200 acres and up. China is in this period of growth, however the government is more worried about controlling its citizens rather than expanding to improve daily lives.

This is why socialism will always fail, it cares more about sustaining then it does growing, which is why socialist countries are never relevant. Outside of China, name one of those countries that is a power. On top of that, we defend 9 out of those 10 countries abroad (also, according to Denmark's PM, they aren't socialist https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/ . This is just a lie told by Bernie Sanders because his first example of Venezuela backfired the first time). If we didn't get involved Germany could just march into Denmark and say this is ours now. America is the world police not because we want to, we're just the only ones who are capable of doing it. American GDP outranks the entirety of the EU. I'm not trying to brag, but that is beyond amazing to me.

To me there has only been one slightly successful country that was socialist, all because they decided to promote growth. Unfortunately it was the Nazis, and they were a bunch of shit human beings.

What you also fail to mention is how badly the US economy is doing in comparison. 

Here's a great article that show the best performing economies and the worst.  Guess what the US is closer to the worst economies and the China is up near the top economies in 2018. I'll save you scratching your head....It under performing compared the rest of the WORLD. MAGA indeed. 

Here's the useful infographic... 

Article with more details here - https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/01/05/the-fastest-growing-and-shrinking-economies-in-2018



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CartBlanche said:
TH3-D0S3R said:

This idea that Socialism/Communism can even work is flawed and downright impossible. The reason many college kids that I see tend to have more socialist tendencies is because they live in a perfect world in which everything is paid for by their parents and thus they don't have to worry about a thing. Once they experience the real world they'll quickly realize nothing is ever given to you for free and no person should ever take their possessions away from them. My cash and my belongings are mine, and no one is entitled to take them from me. Name for me one successful country in the world that implemented socialism/communism and wasn't reliant on the US for anything in foreign aid. Odds are, there are none, because there are no successful countries that implement it.

As for the second point, I fail to see how it's Trump's fault people go to court for stupid reasons. This falls in line with the point that humans are stupid and will do stupid things. Trump does it himself since he was CEO of a company and many people wanted a shot at his wealth (he can also be petty in other instances too, especially if the other said idiot crosses the line). There are many dumb cases that exist around the world, so I don't see how this is relevant. Feel free to rephrase, I just cant understand it.

I won't just give you 1 country, I'll give you 10. Here is a list of some of the most successful socialist countries in the world at the moment....

 

  • China
  • Denmark
  • Finland
  • Netherlands
  • Canada
  • Sweden
  • Norway
  • Ireland
  • New Zealand
  • Belgium

Ugh, that's a stretch. No going to talk about the other countries, but Norway is a country that is based around a free market economy. To use Norway as some justification for socialism is frankly wrong



CartBlanche said:
TH3-D0S3R said:

China should be FAR ahead of where the US is now if you look at baseline statistics. They have a population of 1.5 billion and cant out-produce a country 1/5 its size based on population.

https://data.worldbank.org/country/china

Another thing you fail to mention is why China's annual growth is going to be down in the upcoming years, and it's a failure that is made by socialism. The child birth laws are direct socialist action by the government trying to get involve in peoples' personal lives. I understand that China has an overpopulation issue, but the laws the government set in place is NOT what you want right now. China is currently in a phase where their economy is starting to get better. The appropriate thing to do would be continue to increase the population, that way more innovations can be made and everyone can live better lives. The best example of this is in the USA. America was shitty before the start of the 20th century, but the government promoted growth and expansion. More kids were born into farm families as utilities for the time, something that would seem inhumane today. Next thing you know, these kids are growing up and can picture in their heads ideas that would make life easier. Next thing you know you have tractors and tills instead of ox and plow. In 1850 you were lucky to be able to sustain 10 acres of farmland. Today, small farms where I live are 200 acres and up. China is in this period of growth, however the government is more worried about controlling its citizens rather than expanding to improve daily lives.

This is why socialism will always fail, it cares more about sustaining then it does growing, which is why socialist countries are never relevant. Outside of China, name one of those countries that is a power. On top of that, we defend 9 out of those 10 countries abroad (also, according to Denmark's PM, they aren't socialist https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/ . This is just a lie told by Bernie Sanders because his first example of Venezuela backfired the first time). If we didn't get involved Germany could just march into Denmark and say this is ours now. America is the world police not because we want to, we're just the only ones who are capable of doing it. American GDP outranks the entirety of the EU. I'm not trying to brag, but that is beyond amazing to me.

To me there has only been one slightly successful country that was socialist, all because they decided to promote growth. Unfortunately it was the Nazis, and they were a bunch of shit human beings.

What you also fail to mention is how badly the US economy is doing in comparison. 

Here's a great article that show the best performing economies and the worst.  Guess what the US is closer to the worst economies and the China is up near the top economies in 2018. I'll save you scratching your head....It under performing compared the rest of the WORLD. MAGA indeed. 

Here's the useful infographic... 

Article with more details here - https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/01/05/the-fastest-growing-and-shrinking-economies-in-2018

Expected GDP percentage growth means next to nothing to me mostly because nothing will remain that constant for long. By that logic Ethiopia is a world power when we look at what they are compared to last year. 

If this is referring to GDP growth as you state it is, it's technically accurate, but there are many things that go into that and so many things that could change. America's population is sorta starting to level off, but pretty soon the same will happen with China and their shitty socialist family laws(families are only allowed to have 1 kid, as such they want a boy to keep the family name. This leads to baby girls either being murdered by their families or left on the streets destined to be prostitutes, and as a resulted you have an overabundance of one gender and population figures will go down). I'm not saying China should invade foreign countries, but lower birth rates will result in lower population, and with less population comes less output, which further lowers GDP. China was and still sorta is pretty far behind America if you compare the two, so it's a Great Depression type period where the only place you can go is up (unless you just mess it up like in Venezuela). However, if you're talking about world economies as a whole and are determining GDP growth as success, this statement is very misleading.

America's ACTUAL GDP is $18.62 Trillion, while China is $11.20 trillion. Therefore, America is currently the best performing economy. It's downright pathetic in all reality that China hasn't already surpassed America in the fact they have way more citizens, plenty of resource rich areas, prime location in trade, and lower wages.

As for me 'doubting China', I don't, in fact I believe China along with India SHOULD be the biggest powers in the world given their size and influence. India I can understand having issues due to Pakistan being right next door, but China makes absolutely no sense to me as to why they don't equal the output level of America. As I stated before and will again, socialism does not care about growth, it cares about control. China has no pollution laws or wage laws, and they STILL cant pass American GDP.

I'm not saying China is a bad example of socialism (in fact they may be the only slightly ok one, which is unfortunate), but when you look at their size and scope on the world scale, to say they are underperforming is an understatement. 



JRPGfan said:
China is strikeing back now (to trump's tarifs)...... trade war is started.





But where does that turn came from?




A Chinese government-owned company has signed on to build a theme park in a vast development in Indonesia that also features a Trump hotel and condos, a deal that stands to benefit President Donald Trump’s company just as top Chinese envoys head to Washington for trade talks.






SpokenTruth said:
Snoopy said:

Translation: I WANT WHAT YOU HAVE WAHH WAHHH WAHHH!!!!!

Piece of advise.  Translation services would not be a good career for you.

Have you ever considered that perhaps some people that already have a lot simply want to share it with others?  Or that some people simply don't like the feast or famine functionality of capitalism? I mean it really sounds like your understanding of socialism, of any flavor, boils down propaganda talking points from the right and that's about it.

It's called charities which you can contribute yourself. Also, socialist/communist countries that didn't get backing from United States have all failed and cause many to die/starve.

 

https://mises.org/library/how-socialism-ruined-venezuela

https://gfycat.com/ZigzagDamagedBarracuda



SpokenTruth said:
Snoopy said:

It's called charities which you can contribute yourself. Also, socialist/communist countries that didn't get backing from United States have all failed and cause many to die/starve.

 

https://mises.org/library/how-socialism-ruined-venezuela

https://gfycat.com/ZigzagDamagedBarracuda

Thank you for proving this.

SpokenTruth said:

 I mean it really sounds like your understanding of socialism, of any flavor, boils down propaganda talking points from the right.

No actual rebuttal. Well, I hope you enjoy the laptop/computer and the internet you're using thanks to capitalism. Tootles.