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numberwang said:

Hillary's new fact-checker speaks truthiness to power (this is not a parody, read it yourself).



https://verrit.com/every-major-media-narrative-about-2016-is-demonstrably-false/

 

FAKE: Hillary Clinton was a “flawed” candidate.

FACT: Hillary Clinton is the first woman in history to become the presidential nominee of a major party. Would anyone characterize that as a “flaw?” Singling out Hillary Clinton as “flawed” when all humans are flawed has a decidedly sexist tinge. [:D] There is nothing particularly flawed about working a lifetime to become one of the most accomplished women in political history.

That is not a fact check, that is a partisan opinion and pretty much I suggest you stop posting that, as that pretty much will add more vitriol to Hillary then abate any...

That site is making a lame excuse as it is saying that 'all flaws are the same' because if that is the case are Trumps flaws equal in comparison? No...Flaws have varying shades and the reality is that compared to Obama, she was deeply flawed...

The site also is saying her flaws don't matter as she is the first women to run for president and that imo is sexist in the opposite direction. 

That was Nonsense Garbage you just posted.

That is not politfact, that was just more pointless moaning by Hillary fans that their leader has become so unlikeable. 



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eva01beserk said:
LadyJasmine said:

 

I would say I am pretty undecided in my head... I am more moderate but supported Trudeau in the last election. I am getting more liberal socially and economically over time but I do dislike the authoritarian tendencies of PC culture.

 

Canada is pretty liberal but there has been a sizeable pushback against nonsense like forcing people to use gender pronouns and that kind of stuff is largely focused in Universities... I would argue urban California is more Liberal then Canada.

 

Canada is not as divided but there is a sizable portion on the right who are anti PC and a sizeable portion on the left who are delusional.

 

Trudeau biggest flaw is he is a man of all talk, nice hair, and socks but of little action. 

 

If Hillary was elected, things would have been better but Hillary vast unpopularity would have meant a failed Presidency 

So theres still hope for you. Center is the best way to go, so undecided just means you are already on the right path.

Are you in college yet? Just survive that without falling to them saying that there is only right or left. Both have good parts.



eva01beserk said:

I must have missed thouse rallies, since I dont remember him ever saying anything of the sort.

I've seen clips of him mentioning it a few times but here is an example from his victory speech.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/613014/during-victory-speech-donald-trump-vows-make-america-rich-again

"We're going to make our country rich again, we're going to make our country great again. We need the rich in order to make the great, I'm sorry to tell you."

Just gotta put those sentence fragments together.  Isn't he such a wonderful speaker?  I don't see why anyone wouldn't be blown away but such elegant sentence structures and word usage.

Here is another example.  I can probably pull more up if you want.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/unapologetic-trump-promises-to-make-america-rich-223632

“We’re going to make America wealthy again,” Trump said toward the end of his speech. “You have to be wealthy in order to be great, I’m sorry to say.”

 

Well he promises more jobs all the time even though the labor market was healthy when he took over.  It might be doing a little better than last year but not any huge leap considering not much legislation has even been passed yet.  About the only thing I've seen him do was pull or get rid of as many environmental restiriction as he possible can.  Why do you think he put Scott Pruitt douchebag in charge of the EPA?  His other picks for other environmental agencies are pretty bad also.  Are some environment rescrictions overbearing?  Perhaps but we probably don't want to go back to the 50s before EPA existed where companies could just dump shit into water and land without any consequences.




Being the first women as a Presidental candidate was not why people saw Hillary as Flawed....


sethnintendo said:
eva01beserk said:

I must have missed thouse rallies, since I dont remember him ever saying anything of the sort.

I've seen clips of him mentioning it a few times but here is an example from his victory speech.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/613014/during-victory-speech-donald-trump-vows-make-america-rich-again

"We're going to make our country rich again, we're going to make our country great again. We need the rich in order to make the great, I'm sorry to tell you."

Just gotta put those sentence fragments together.  Isn't he such a wonderful speaker?  I don't see why anyone wouldn't be blown away but such elegant sentence structures and word usage.

Here is another example.  I can probably pull more up if you want.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/unapologetic-trump-promises-to-make-america-rich-223632

“We’re going to make America wealthy again,” Trump said toward the end of his speech. “You have to be wealthy in order to be great, I’m sorry to say.”

 

Well he promises more jobs all the time even though the labor market was healthy when he took over.  It might be doing a little better than last year but not any huge leap considering not much legislation has even been passed yet.  About the only thing I've seen him do was pull or get rid of as many environmental restiriction as he possible can.  Why do you think he put Scott Pruitt douchebag in charge of the EPA?  His other picks for other environmental agencies are pretty bad also.  Are some environment rescrictions overbearing?  Perhaps but we probably don't want to go back to the 50s before EPA existed where companies could just dump shit into water and land without any consequences.

Did you read what you just posted? where there did he promise people to make them rich? He clerly said on both ocassions that the country itself will be richer, and apolgises because he admits the rich need to get richer first. You really have to force yourself to interprete it the way you did.

I would love to see more quotes, please.

Cant say that I like less epa restrictions. But what where they? are they now allowed to contaminate waters? destroy entire forest? Kill all fauna?



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numberwang said:

Hillary's new fact-checker speaks truthiness to power (this is not a parody, read it yourself).



https://verrit.com/every-major-media-narrative-about-2016-is-demonstrably-false/

 

FAKE: Hillary Clinton was a “flawed” candidate.

FACT: Hillary Clinton is the first woman in history to become the presidential nominee of a major party. Would anyone characterize that as a “flaw?” Singling out Hillary Clinton as “flawed” when all humans are flawed has a decidedly sexist tinge. [:D] There is nothing particularly flawed about working a lifetime to become one of the most accomplished women in political history.

So what exactly has she accomplished?  She didn't do much as a Senator and she made some bad decision as Secretary of State.  Can you please list off some accomplishments she has made in her political career because I can't think of anything major that she has pushed forward as a bill as a Senator.  I bet I can come up with a few better examples of a women that have actually achieved something in their politcal careers.



eva01beserk said:
sethnintendo said:

I've seen clips of him mentioning it a few times but here is an example from his victory speech.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/613014/during-victory-speech-donald-trump-vows-make-america-rich-again

"We're going to make our country rich again, we're going to make our country great again. We need the rich in order to make the great, I'm sorry to tell you."

Just gotta put those sentence fragments together.  Isn't he such a wonderful speaker?  I don't see why anyone wouldn't be blown away but such elegant sentence structures and word usage.

Here is another example.  I can probably pull more up if you want.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/unapologetic-trump-promises-to-make-america-rich-223632

“We’re going to make America wealthy again,” Trump said toward the end of his speech. “You have to be wealthy in order to be great, I’m sorry to say.”

 

Well he promises more jobs all the time even though the labor market was healthy when he took over.  It might be doing a little better than last year but not any huge leap considering not much legislation has even been passed yet.  About the only thing I've seen him do was pull or get rid of as many environmental restiriction as he possible can.  Why do you think he put Scott Pruitt douchebag in charge of the EPA?  His other picks for other environmental agencies are pretty bad also.  Are some environment rescrictions overbearing?  Perhaps but we probably don't want to go back to the 50s before EPA existed where companies could just dump shit into water and land without any consequences.

Did you read what you just posted? where there did he promise people to make them rich? He clerly said on both ocassions that the country itself will be richer, and apolgises because he admits the rich need to get richer first. You really have to force yourself to interprete it the way you did.

I would love to see more quotes, please.

Cant say that I like less epa restrictions. But what where they? are they now allowed to contaminate waters? destroy entire forest? Kill all fauna?

So how the fuck does the rich getting richer help solve our historic income inequality levels? 

As for the environment... Fuck coal.  I don't feel like going into all the restrictions he is lifting or already has.  Should some have gone?  Perhaps but when you put someone head of the EPA that has spent most of the past few years trying to sue the EPA it is pretty fucking obvious he doesn't give a shit about the environment.  To him it is business over environment when both need to be equally considered.  He might say he considers both equally but it's easy to tell he is lying especially with the way he is acting and the responses he has given during interviews.

It is like when Trump said he would drain the swamp.  You could have fooled me because I believe there are more fucking Goldman Sachs people in his adminstration than any previous adminstration.



LadyJasmine said:

Being the first women as a Presidental candidate was not why people saw Hillary as Flawed....

 

Edit: she also dint have nice hair and socks. She could learn a little from trudeau.



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She said the same when she lost to Obama back in 08 it was in one of her emails, she pretty much blamed her campaign manager for the fact that she's a lizard people posing as a human being



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sethnintendo said:
eva01beserk said:

Did you read what you just posted? where there did he promise people to make them rich? He clerly said on both ocassions that the country itself will be richer, and apolgises because he admits the rich need to get richer first. You really have to force yourself to interprete it the way you did.

I would love to see more quotes, please.

Cant say that I like less epa restrictions. But what where they? are they now allowed to contaminate waters? destroy entire forest? Kill all fauna?

So how the fuck does the rich getting richer help solve our historic income inequality levels? 

As for the environment... Fuck coal

Because income inequality is BS. If I can buy a car and a house, make sure my family never goes hungry, properly educate my children and just have a decent standart of living, It should not matter that some rich guy can buy 10 mansions and all the luxury cars ever made.

Im a fan of someday the world going all renuable energy. Hopefully thats not far off.



It takes genuine talent to see greatness in yourself despite your absence of genuine talent.