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Ka-pi96 said:
Jumpin said:
Should have voted Obama in again as President. It's a shame he retired. But I guess the US has some kind of silly limitation tradition.

Those aren't really silly. Those are what stops lifetime dictators happening...

Extremely low risk that does not justify such an extreme rule. What terms limits are is a sign that no one trusts the democratic system in operation in the country concerned.



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binary solo said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Those aren't really silly. Those are what stops lifetime dictators happening...

Extremely low risk that does not justify such an extreme rule. What terms limits are is a sign that no one trusts the democratic system in operation in the country concerned.

Americans are borderline non democratic as it is. They refuse to except their democratically elected President and throw him under the bus evey single chance they have, even if they have to make shit up like communist propoganda! America is hellbent on destroying its self from the inside out.



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Yes, let's use hyperbole to prove a "point." Which basically means you already lost. Let's just not mention his real scandals. Like Fast and Furious, guns that were used to kill innocent Mexicans and people in France. Or the cover up of Benghazi. Using the IRS as a weapon against organizations on the right. Spying on the media. Paying billions to Iran. Exchanging 5 top Taliban leaders for a deserter/traitor. The EPA polluting the Colorado river, turning it orange with toxic sludge. Continuing the poorly run VA practices. Continuing crony Capitalism by pumping billions into companies, like Solyndra, that strangely went out of business shortly after. Needlessly putting up barriers at National memorial sites, just to make the shutdown of the government seem like its a bigger deal than it was.

That's not to say that Trump gets a pass for any of his current/future scandals. But, if you yourself are going to ignore truth and say "Obama had no scandals," then you give the right the excuse of "But where were you when Obama..." Of course, most people probably want it to stay that way. It's easier than actually doing anything about corrupt politicians that you put in yourselves.



glimmer_of_hope said:
binary solo said:

Extremely low risk that does not justify such an extreme rule. What terms limits are is a sign that no one trusts the democratic system in operation in the country concerned.

Americans are borderline non democratic as it is. They refuse to except their democratically elected President and throw him under the bus evey single chance they have, even if they have to make shit up like communist propoganda! America is hellbent on destroying its self from the inside out.

Well aas long as the attitude is tothrow every president under a bus and do the utmost to have him / her elected out of office at the next election it wouild seem term limits are unnecessary even with this borderline undemocratic system.

The one thing that prevents a dictator for life in the USA is the difficulty of achieving a constitutional amendment that would create a mechansim for a president to complete subvert democracy and congress and the supreme court and become supreme ruler by edict. Despite the shittiness of much of the US form of govt, there is a helluva lot the Potus can't do without congress and the supreme court going along.

Arguably the most tyrannical element of US democracy at the moment is the near permanent stranglehold the Rep[ublicans have on the House due to Republican controlled re-districting. But at least that is somewhat counterbalanced by the Senate being generally more contestible.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix