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Soundwave said:

I think they probably will suffer some continued hardware erosion next generation. The 3DS launched at a point where budget tablets/kids have phones was not such a big thing, but the NX will have to face that from day 1, that is a steeper hill to climb even if it's a better product.

That said I think they will make much more money next gen largely because of smartphone games. If done reasonably well, Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing alone should clean up on the app store.

Square-Enix makes a lot of money from smartphone games, I don't see why Nintendo couldn't double or triple+ what S-E makes. I think NX itself will have custom version of Android too so you'll be able to consume smartphone apps on the NX itself (Nikkei has proven itself to be correct multiple times). 

Movies are a wild card, they would need to hire a funny/clever writing staff like what the LEGO Movie had. Angry Birds has done pretty well but again it has a decent writing team.

I think Nintendo's focus there should be to start with a Super Mario CG movie that leads into a Smash Brothers series of films that can highlight other Nintendo characters. But it needs to be funny and clever, it can't be written by/for game nerds (sorry guys, but go look at Warcraft's box office).

If the console NX bombs quickly and is more Wii U than Wii, then I think they will shift over to making console games for the PS4/XB1/PC or having a joint partnership with one of Sony/MS, but continue to make the NX portable. 

Let's not forget that at least Fire Emblem is pretty niche, especially on mobile. Strategy games doesn't "clean up" the app stores, but it could still be quite profitable for Nintendo. Animal Crossing though, that's a beast in the making! Or it could/should be.

I agree that Nintendo really needs to think long and hard about entering the movie business. I'm not sure if it's a good idea liscensing their IP to others, maybe it's better if they assemble a team that knows what they're doing. Maybe have Marvel as a mold.

I agree that if the NX bombs it's time to either strike a deal with either MS or Sony (either one will be next gens winner by default) or make games for both platforms while still continuing with their handhelds.



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So they are getting the same profits as they were getting through the 90's and 00's until the Wii came?

For a company that suffers one of its worst moment ever that is a surprising stability.



Goodnightmoon said:

So they are getting the same profits as they were getting through the 90's and 00's until the Wii came?

For a company that suffers one of its worst moment ever that is a surprising stability.

You must be looking at the chart wrong, they are not currently profiting at the level they did in the 90s/ealry 00s.



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Mazzy said:

Not doomed but their sales have all been trending down since the NES, with the only exception being the Wii/DS. If NX flops (which it almost certainly will), Nintendo will be forced to go third party (which is good for the consumer. 

Not true, look at the annual shipments, net sales & operating income charts in the OP, from FY1990-FY2005 all 3 of those were pretty stable with just a few low years, thats nearly 15 years of stable shipments, sales & income.

After that they had an era of huge growth (DS/Wii era) followed by a huge decline to lower than their stable period.

So you are completely wrong when you say that Nintendo has been in constant decline since the NES.

3DS is at record low handheld numbers, Wii U is record low console numbers, and they have burned bridges with nearly every third party out there. Honestly if Wii never took off, Nintendo would probably already be third party. A publicly traded company can not just keep pushing out failures gen after gen with rapidly decreasing numbers each gen as their core fanbase shrinks.



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Mazzy said:
zorg1000 said:

Not true, look at the annual shipments, net sales & operating income charts in the OP, from FY1990-FY2005 all 3 of those were pretty stable with just a few low years, thats nearly 15 years of stable shipments, sales & income.

After that they had an era of huge growth (DS/Wii era) followed by a huge decline to lower than their stable period.

So you are completely wrong when you say that Nintendo has been in constant decline since the NES.

3DS is at record low handheld numbers, Wii U is record low console numbers, and they have burned bridges with nearly every third party out there. Honestly if Wii never took off, Nintendo would probably already be third party. A publicly traded company can not just keep pushing out failures gen after gen with rapidly decreasing numbers each gen as their core fanbase shrinks.

Absolutely none of that is relevant to what you or I previously said.

 

You: Nintendo has been in constant decline since the NES.

Me: From FY1990-2005, Nintendo had relatively stable hardware shipments, net sales & operating income.

Do you understand my last post now? I was correcting a false statement that you made.



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Goodnightmoon said:

So they are getting the same profits as they were getting through the 90's and 00's until the Wii came?

For a company that suffers one of its worst moment ever that is a surprising stability.

Shipments. The next chart shows a loss for the first time and no increment in the acumulative profit chart.



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sethnintendo said:
Step 1 Release NX
Step 2 ???
Step 3 Profit

Step 1.  Clearly reveal NX as  what it is avoiding Wii U-like confusion

Step 2.  Correctly advertized NX

Step 3.  Release NX with Zelda, Pikmin 4(most surely), and FFXV(rumored, possible seeing how SE is eating up NX with DQ), and other games.

Step 4.  Maintain a good stream of 1st party games, no more than a month between games, to attract 3rd parties that will help fill the schedule

Step 5.  Profit



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zorg1000 said:
Mazzy said:

3DS is at record low handheld numbers, Wii U is record low console numbers, and they have burned bridges with nearly every third party out there. Honestly if Wii never took off, Nintendo would probably already be third party. A publicly traded company can not just keep pushing out failures gen after gen with rapidly decreasing numbers each gen as their core fanbase shrinks.

Absolutely none of that is relevant to what you or I previously said.

 

You: Nintendo has been in constant decline since the NES.

Me: From FY1990-2005, Nintendo had relatively stable hardware shipments, net sales & operating income.

Do you understand my last post now? I was correcting a false statement that you made.

Clearly it won't just be YoY declines every year due to the way console cycles work, but they have been hurting for quite a while, even with N64 and GCN, and if Wii hadn't been the massive success it was, it would be a very, very different situation for Nintendo. Nintendo has been relying on mobile, toy dolls, theme parks, restaurants, TV shows, etc. to keep profit up because at this point because their console sales are in the gutter, and their handheld sales are down a huge amount from previous gen (and handheld gaming in general is dying rapidly). Also important is mindshare and marketshare and Nintendo continues to shrink there as well. 



Tlozjb said:
sethnintendo said:
Step 1 Release NX
Step 2 ???
Step 3 Profit

Step 1.  Clearly reveal NX as  what it is avoiding Wii U-like confusion

Step 2.  Correctly advertized NX

Step 3.  Release NX with Zelda, Pikmin 4(most surely), and FFXV(rumored, possible seeing how SE is eating up NX with DQ), and other games.

Step 4.  Maintain a good stream of 1st party games, no more than a month between games, to attract 3rd parties that will help fill the schedule

Step 5.  Profit

They've done this every gen yet their console sales continue to shrink.