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Forums - General Discussion - Former McDonald's USA CEO: $35K Robots Cheaper Than Hiring at $15 Per Hour

fatslob-:O said:
aLkaLiNE said:

No, you should still be worried - instead of having 15 employees on shift, you have two operators on shift running the machines. The problem being that A) this will become a specialized job requiring further education beyond high school, thus creating a new cycle of debt for those individuals, and B) this will, again, be a massive blow to those at the entry level who are scrambling for a job that are undereducated.

 

Im telling you guys right now point blank, this will only create more homeless and poverty in Americs and it is NOT the right solution.

Then we just need in increase the education standards!

It's not that hard and I hope that one day higher education conformance will come from having potentially cheaper online schools too ...

The world is changing and we NEED higher IQ people or people with good skills ...

JRPGfan said:

If robots are that advanced by then, you ll have a maintaince robot that goes around repairing other robots.

At some point, there wont be any job a human will be able to do better than a robot.

 

Long long before then, robots will have wrecked our economy.

Robots will never become advanced enough to do R&D, that's where humans are at their safest ... 

You talk like as if automation was a bad thing when the vast majority of our lives depend on automation ...

Well, maybe if education was paid for with taxes then this would be possible. However, as it is many people are unable to afford university.



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JRPGfan said:
Netyaroze said:

 You could give everyone a base sallary, once robots are sufficently advanced and can produce themselfs there is really no need for human workers anymore.

You watched too much Startrek, I dont see that happending possible ever.

 Base sallary is already in discussion and there are studies being done. The concept is not that much out there as you might think:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income

How else are we supposed to maintain our economy if robots are sufficently advanced to literally do any job better than humans. Its just a matter of time until we reach that point. Maybe in 50 years or in 100.

Why would we let work humans that are costlier and more inefficent than robotic systems. Basic income would be the logical consequence of the development we can see now.

 

 



JRPGfan said:

Do people want to eat at a resturant, where your meal is prepaired by a robot arm? and maybe you dont even have a guy takeing orders, but you talk into a mic like siri?

Is that really the future?
If they go that route just boycut eating there.

McDonalds be greedy :p

These do quite fine in the Netherlands, no need to talk into a mic.


French fry vending machines are nothing new either


Everything you buy at McDonalds is made by robots, why not have them put the final pieces together too ;)



Goatseye said:

Not for long when everyone and their mom is a robot repairman and you'll fight for a meager above the water pay rate. 

Robot repairman =/= STEM 

STEM = Science, Technology, Engineering & Math ... 

Get your bachelors degree in either of these subjects while their still hot ...



Ah, McDonald's. The corporation that had the highest disparity between CEO salary and worker salary and where upper management gets bonuses and pay increases even when they're struggling.

I feel so badly for them.



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aLkaLiNE said:
Nuvendil said:

The $15 minimum wage is ludicrous. There are only two ends for that plan. The best case is a MASSIVE spike in inflation that will ultimately drag the dollar value so low that the pay increase is completely offset. The worst case is frankly total economic collapse as large companies get lean in order to compensate for the enormous spike in payroll costs and small business in general is completely whipped out. It's another short sited proposal made by people so obsessed with their own, personal, immediate convenience that they can't pause to consider the broader ramifications of what they propose. And flipping burgers should NOT net you $15 an hour buddy.

No. I'm sorry but no, this is wrong. The $15 minimum wage needs to be mandated, and all the other people employed at the upper middle class and below need pay increases relative to the minimum wage increase.

 

The fact is that while wages have roughly doubled in the past 40 years, the costs of living have more than quadrupled. To say that workers at the minimum wage are the problem is so wrong when you see individuals being paid millions a year to simply represent a company. The problem isn't a 15$ minimum wage, the problem is overpaid CEOs, sales people, owners etc. This massive gap in the standard of living between wealthy and poor is not by any stretch of the imagination right and that's where the real issue lies. We could as a country easily support a $15 minimum wage of those funds came from wealthy individuals with hyper inflated salaries that allow them to live well above their actual contribution toward society.

You clearly have next to no knowledge of the small and middle tier business world.  90-95% of small businesses and middle tier business could not sustain $15 an hour.  And they don't have the war chest to float a transition.  I know this.  Also, let's not fall into the trap that CEOs are EVIL and the rich are EVIL.  While some can be dicks, many are very altruistic.  And the job of major executives is one 95% of people couldn't do.  I've seen that myself, most average joes couldn't run a taco stand much less a multi billion corporation.  

As for standard of living, that is radically different from state to state and that's the problem with a $15 minimum wage.  Cause cost of living effects pay and that effects business plans and structuring.  It effects EVERYTHING.  NY or Washington State might be able to support $15 without too much fuss.  But Texas?  NC?  SC?  No, it would be a complete and utter train wreck.  The US is huge, the cost of living, wage disparity, economic strength, etc is not universal.  Such a high federal minimum wage would be highly ill dvised.  Let the States decide in accordance with what the State needs.



Goatseye said:
fatslob-:O said:

No worries, automation will create new jobs too. Someone will have to repair malfunctioning robots so instead of flipping burgers or being a retail clerk the new entry level job is a local robot repairman ... 

Better yet study STEM subjects like I am since they'll have the best wage and job growth too! 

Not for long when everyone and their mom is a robot repairman and you'll fight for a meager above the water pay rate. 

well someoneis goign to need to design better and more efficient robots in the future. Need a bit more skill and bains than a repair man to do that.



 

 

VGPolyglot said:

Well, maybe if education was paid for with taxes then this would be possible. However, as it is many people are unable to afford university.

Cost of living in general will be lowered and I guess everybody should set sights at going to university ...



Cobretti2 said:
Goatseye said:

Not for long when everyone and their mom is a robot repairman and you'll fight for a meager above the water pay rate. 

well someoneis goign to need to design better and more efficient robots in the future. Need a bit more skill and bains than a repair man to do that.

 AI is going to design the robots.



fatslob-:O said:
Goatseye said:

Not for long when everyone and their mom is a robot repairman and you'll fight for a meager above the water pay rate. 

Robot repairman =/= STEM 

STEM = Science, Technology, Engineering & Math ... 

Get your bachelors degree in either of these subjects while their still hot ...

everyone and their mom = people

We're not there yet partner. What I meant to say is robot repair man as a job, will likely become one of the most supplied job skill in the market. Therefore, thrown down the latter of high paying jobs.