deskpro2k3 said: cop, shot and killed unarmed teen for stealing cigarettes. |
Well as weed becomes legal in more and more states cops have to find other reasons to kill people. ;)
deskpro2k3 said: cop, shot and killed unarmed teen for stealing cigarettes. |
Well as weed becomes legal in more and more states cops have to find other reasons to kill people. ;)
deskpro2k3 said: cop, shot and killed unarmed teen for stealing cigarettes |
An eighteen-year old adult teen. Be careful, the lone term 'teen' could mislead people into thinking Brown was underaged when he was not. Also, he was not shot for stealing cigarettes.
deskpro2k3 said: cop, choke hold and killed unarmed man on suspicion of selling cigarettes |
The choke hold aggravated Garner's medical conditions (ailments unknown to police) which ultimately lead to a heart attack as he was transported to the hospital. Let us aim for specificity, not ambiguity.
KLAMarine said:
An eighteen-year old adult teen. Be careful, the lone term 'teen' could mislead people into thinking Brown was underaged when he was not. Also, he was not shot for stealing cigarettes.
The choke hold aggravated Garner's medical conditions (ailments unknown to police) which ultimately lead to a heart attack as he was transported to the hospital. Let us aim for specificity, not ambiguity. |
Lets not cherry pick, but if you want to get technical then get ready for some hurt.
deskpro2k3 said:
Lets not cherry pick, but if you want to get technical then get ready for some hurt. |
Okay.
deskpro2k3 said: Lets not cherry pick, but if you want to get technical then get ready for some hurt. |
You have the floor. I'm interested in what you have to say.
How can it be that anyone would feel the proper way to arrest someone includes choking them? This really blows my mind. The coroner ruled it a murder because it was murder. It doesn't stop being a murder when a cop does it. It doesn't stop being murder if the person has medical issues. It doesn't stop being murder when the victim is black. But specifically, about the police, there is an obvious problem with the culture. Protect and serve?
BMaker11 said:
And, even with the semantics of "choke hold" vs "submission hold"...the technique the officer used is illegal/prohibited by the NYPD! The officer shouldn't have done it in the first place. There's no way around it. The officer killed that man. And he got away with it |
its not semantics, when one hold is perfectly allowed by the nypd, while the other has been banned since like 1993.
was it the officer or his bad health that killed him?
KLAMarine said:
An eighteen-year old adult teen. Be careful, the lone term 'teen' could mislead people into thinking Brown was underaged when he was not. Also, he was not shot for stealing cigarettes.
The choke hold aggravated Garner's medical conditions (ailments unknown to police) which ultimately lead to a heart attack as he was transported to the hospital. Let us aim for specificity, not ambiguity. |
i feel like people are taking crazy pills, are the deliberately ignoring/ misconstruing facts?
fact 1: Choke holds are not illegal, they are against NYPD policy. said choke hold is defined by the NYPD, per definition, the cop DID NOT perform a choke hold, but rather a submission hold.
fact 2: the coroner, who is not a judge or jury, uses the term homicide not as a legal term, but as a medical parlance to mean killed by another person. He also goes on to cite. the mans very very poor health as contributing to his death. the man was said to not be able to walk a block without stopping to rest and weeze.
fact 3: this is not a race issue, white cops dont get away with these things to black people any more than anyrace. the last cop to be indicted was a white cop for killing a black man.
fact 4: mike brown was not shot for stealing cigerrettes or being black, he was shot for breaking the law, assaulting a cop, trying to grab his gun, and then charging at the cop
CosmicSex said: How can it be that anyone would feel the proper way to arrest someone includes choking them? This really blows my mind. |
A choke hold does not automatically cause asphyxiation. Additionally, I recall the chokehold lasting about 20 seconds which is not long enough to kill your average person.
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/choking/article_em.htm
"When someone is choking with a completely blocked airway, no oxygen can enter the lungs. The brain is extremely sensitive to this lack of oxygen and begins to die within four to six minutes. It is during this time that first aid must take place. Irreversible brain death occurs in as little as 10 minutes."
CosmicSex said: The coroner ruled it a murder because it was murder. It doesn't stop being a murder when a cop does it. |
No, the coroner ruled it a 'homicide'. There's a difference.
http://time.com/3618279/eric-garner-chokehold-crime-staten-island-daniel-pantaleo/
CosmicSex said: It doesn't stop being a murder when a cop does it. It doesn't stop being murder if the person has medical issues. It doesn't stop being murder when the victim is black. |
But intent is key here: was Daniel Pantaleo aware of Garner's health problems? I still think that he was not aware of his health problems. How would he know? Garner himself might not have been fully aware of his own health problems.
CosmicSex said: But specifically, about the police, there is an obvious problem with the culture. Protect and serve? |
How many police calls occur in a year nationwide? How many of these end up becoming confirmed cases of police brutality? This year, I recall the Michael Brown case, the Tamir Rice case, and the Eric Garner case as examples of what some would deem police brutality. Three and those are just the ones that get media coverage. Three out of how many a year?
Thank goodnes for cameras though: someone has to watch the watchmen.