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USA coop with nazi after WW2. Your opinion?

Should be done, cause USSR was a main threat. 6 20.69%
 
It was a thing, OK, but e... 10 34.48%
 
Wrong move and a big mistake. 13 44.83%
 
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the_dengle said:
Nicklesbe said:

Please don't put words in my mouth. Saying there were not many if any is not the same as saying there were none.

Sorry, I was a little confused by your phrasing. Or maybe the sentence was just a little long.

It was a lighthearted jab, not trying to antagonize you. Just found it amusing that you didn't seem to count the creation of nuclear arms as a "negative repurcussion" of the Manhattan Project, the entire purpose of which was... the creation of nuclear arms. It was a joke, see.

No need to be sorry ^.^. I'm just trying to clear up any confusion over what I said. As far as the joke goes I got a laugh from it. I pictured a news reporter on tv saying "The Manhattan project has finished and there were no negative repercussions following it." While a mushroom cloud appears behind him. The joke still works tho. After all I said there weren't many negative repercussions, so all ya gotta say to make it work is "oh so not many ay? Tell that to the 80,000+ negatively affected by it in Hiroshima" 



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generic-user-1 said:

i dont have a big problem with wehrmachhts soldiers or nazi scientist, but known nazi spys and high ranking SS stuff?

This. Scientsts/soldiers are OK. Even spies are OK, since it'd be stupid not to use them. I sure USSR was using some agents in Western Germany too, and I don't think their past was crystal clear.

What bothers me is that USA was using people like that man in article - Aleksandras Lileikis who was a Nazi officer implicated in 60,000 Jews’ deaths in Baltic. That is something I just can't understand and tolerate. Also the fact that after their service this people (military criminals, giulty in thousands of deaths!) was given a nice pension and sent back to Europe to spent their last days, all for American taxpayers money...



Sharu said:
generic-user-1 said:

i dont have a big problem with wehrmachhts soldiers or nazi scientist, but known nazi spys and high ranking SS stuff?

This. Scientsts/soldiers are OK. Even spies are OK, since it'd be stupid not to use them. I sure USSR was using some agents in Western Germany too, and I don't think their past was crystal clear.

What bothers me is that USA was using people like that man in article - Aleksandras Lileikis who was a Nazi officer implicated in 60,000 Jews’ deaths in Baltic. That is something I just can't understand and tolerate. Also the fact that after their service this people (military criminals, giulty in thousands of deaths!) was given a nice pension and sent back to Europe to spent their last days, all for American taxpayers money...

Yeah that is pretty fucked up. He should have been charged for his crimes and imprisoned. Tho I don't have a problem with his co-operation buying protection for his family and ensuring he wouldn't get raped/murdered while serving his sentence. Just letting him go with a free pass is not ethical imo and pretty fucked up.



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The whole german intelligence service, BND, was, and is mostly still, run by US-picked Nazis.

Just look at the history of the german intelligence service: Towards the end of WW2, when german defeat became obvious, some high-profile SA/SS nazi coward and named Gehlen started copying all secret documents he could find and buried them in the mountains, so that, when he would get captured, he could save his own life from the death sentence by making himself valuable by providing the victor secret documents. His plan worked out, and the US hired him for building up a spy agency for spying against "the east". He picked almost exclusively old Nazi friends for staff, many of them war criminals from the SA/SS etc., and the official german intelligence service came to life as a branch of the US military, almost exclusively staffed with formed high-profile Nazis. Then, when the CIA came to life, the organization became a branch of the CIA. Then, in the 50s, the organization officially became "german" - meaning that from now on germany would have to pay the bill, while hardly anything else changed.

It then existed for several decades without any legal basis/justification, and even today, many people know the rumours that the german intelligence service is still run mostly by Nazis and still hardly more than a subbranch of the US intelligence services. Nobody here considers BND & Co. to be actually working for the german public; they are rather considered like the remaining US army bases in germany: Like "herpes" - annoying, everyone hates it, but you realize you will never get rid of this fucking disease completely...



bubblegamer said:

lol should've known it was a topic from you. Yes America is evil we get it.

Americans dont get it. 



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Yeah I've heard of that before. Its terrible that such evil people weren't punished for everything they did.



    

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