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mornelithe said:
Seece said:
mornelithe said:

It's what they're about lately.  Without it, there goes ~60% of their profit.  We may look at Sony and see electronics, but electronics, movies and music are a pittance of their company right now.

I don't disagree, but Sony is an entertainment and electronic conglomerate not an insurance company, it's the odd one out that is thankfully working out for them.

Lose the entertainment and electronics and you lose the Sony DNA.

Well, honestly, other than Playstation, the rest of Sony electronics are really not doing very well.  It's the obsession with the DNA that's kind of been hurting them all this time.

Oh I agree, which is why they need to spin off Playstation and downsize or break up the company like Kowen suggests.

I fail to see how Sony think they can continue down the path they're on.



 

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Seece said:
mornelithe said:


Lose the entertainment and electronics and you lose the Sony DNA.

Well, honestly, other than Playstation, the rest of Sony electronics are really not doing very well.  It's the obsession with the DNA that's kind of been hurting them all this time.

Oh I agree, which is why they need to spin off Playstation and downsize or break up the company like Kowen suggests.

I fail to see how Sony think they can continue down the path they're on.

Or.....they could ditch phones and cameras, and just stick with Banking/Insurance, Playstation, Music and Movies, since those are actually profitable?  And, they'd still be in the entertainment industry?



Seece said:
mornelithe said:

Well, honestly, other than Playstation, the rest of Sony electronics are really not doing very well.  It's the obsession with the DNA that's kind of been hurting them all this time.

Oh I agree, which is why they need to spin off Playstation and downsize or break up the company like Kowen suggests.

I fail to see how Sony think they can continue down the path they're on.

I agree with the downsizing, but wouldn't it be a better idea if Sony gets rid of their mobile and camera divisions, you know the ones that are making Sony lose money?



Aura7541 said:
Seece said:
mornelithe said:

Well, honestly, other than Playstation, the rest of Sony electronics are really not doing very well.  It's the obsession with the DNA that's kind of been hurting them all this time.

Oh I agree, which is why they need to spin off Playstation and downsize or break up the company like Kowen suggests.

I fail to see how Sony think they can continue down the path they're on.

I agree with the downsizing, but wouldn't it be a better idea if Sony gets rid of their mobile and camera divisions, you know the ones that are making Sony lose money?

I'm not sure cameras are losing money for Sony (just that it is soon to become obselete) it's TV and Phones.

Aside from Playstation, it's not hard to see every other Sony product line on store shelves disappearing in the next 10 years.



 

Seece said:
Aura7541 said:

I agree with the downsizing, but wouldn't it be a better idea if Sony gets rid of their mobile and camera divisions, you know the ones that are making Sony lose money?

I'm not sure cameras are losing money for Sony (just that it is soon to become obselete) it's TV and Phones.

Aside from Playstation, it's not hard to see every other Sony product line on store shelves disappearing in the next 10 years.

I think Sony is struggling with the budget digital cameras. Those will go obsolete since why need them when smartphones basically do the same thing? I can see Sony establishing a niche in the professional grade camera market, but yeah, I do agree with your last sentence.



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Seece said:
Devil_Survivor said:
Seece said:
So I've just seen the huge dip Digital Cameras has taken over the last couple of years

FY12 - 17m
FY13 - 11.5m
FY14 - 8m (Forecast)

And it's only going to get smaller, to the point of irrelevance surely?

With TV's being a money sink and Phones prooving an ever more challenging market, Sony only really have Playstation and Semi Conductors as viable products.


What about movies and music? Sony still makes money there.

Not sure how their other divisions are doing, I was talking more about their electronics which is the heart of Sony.



what sony are about is making money. whatever parts of sony make the most money are the parts that they are about the most. 

Look I agree with most things about SOny's financials but if they sold off the divisions that lose money they get a huge windfall of cash and be left with profiting divisions. Obviously the company would be half the size but it would still be pretty big and a very profitable company at that. It's just it's so hard for them to let some of those divisions go but it's getting to the point where they will have to. TV's is the hardest because they've dined at the top table for so long. 



Dadrik said:

It was a tough gen for Sony, but it made profit in the end, according to reports.


PS3 has never made Sony any net money. It just stopped bleeding them dry near the end of the generation and started turning YoY profits. The sum net of the whole PS3 generation obliterated their gains from the PS1/PS2. It was a multi-billion dollar disaster.

The WiiU, for comparison, is and will end at hundreds of million.



Aura7541 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
deskpro2k3 said:


http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/08/08/xbox-one-lost-microsoft-400000000-during-last-fiscal-year/

http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years

 

I use google. took 10sec.

you did not understand the first article, but neither did Dualshockers themselves, so I don't blame you.

The second article misses 2 years of proifit, mainly due to Xbox and includes losses made with Windows Phone, Zune, Kin and Nokia payments.

 

I use common sense. It's even faster.

Regardless, the brand is still losing money overall. Whether the X1 can bring it to the black? Maybe... It largely depends on how well it sells on the long term because the 360 is the one that is way more profitable now, but its sales are diminishing.


This article said that Sony lost even more during the same period, nearly 5 billion, to Microsoft losing 3 billion.  So..... ?  If we take that article as being accurate, then Sony is worse at making money in gaming with the PS2 and 3 during that 10 year period.  Right?



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Vena said:
Dadrik said:

It was a tough gen for Sony, but it made profit in the end, according to reports.


PS3 has never made Sony any net money. It just stopped bleeding them dry near the end of the generation and started turning YoY profits. The sum net of the whole PS3 generation obliterated their gains from the PS1/PS2. It was a multi-billion dollar disaster.

The WiiU, for comparison, is and will end at hundreds of million.


according to this link that was given earlier, you are correct.

http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years



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Jexy said:
Aura7541 said:

Regardless, the brand is still losing money overall. Whether the X1 can bring it to the black? Maybe... It largely depends on how well it sells on the long term because the 360 is the one that is way more profitable now, but its sales are diminishing.


This article said that Sony lost even more during the same period, nearly 5 billion, to Microsoft losing 3 billion.  So..... ?  If we take that article as being accurate, then Sony is worse at making money in gaming with the PS2 and 3 during that 10 year period.  Right?

I was referring to the Xbox brand as a whole. If you want to bring Playstation into the equation, be sure to include the entire Playstation brand, so that means include the PSP and PS1 too

But yeah, the Cell didn't do too well for Sony :/