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axt113 said:
Twilord said:
axt113 said:
Twilord said:
axt113 said:
Twilord said:
axt113 said:
It was not the best game, reviews don't decide success, sales and profitability do, if it had been the best game, Nintendo would not be reporting a loss for the last fiscal year


As a designer I'm gonna tell you an important adage that you can take with you:

"Success does demand quality, but quality does not demand success."

 

From a quality angle it was quite possible the best game of the last year, from a success angle you're completely right.


Books are touted as best selling, not best reviewed.

 

Without sales or profitability, you cannot define best, it is the consumers who have all the power, not the reviewers or the fanbois


If you use sales and profitablity as benchmarks of what is best then works like Okami suck while ones like Twilight and Justin Bieber Albums are among the best things ever. While that is financially true, and fascinating, it doesn't mean much.

 

[[[I realize it is true that Justin Bieber as a character was arguably high-quality (his music wasn't, but props to his character desigers for how well they worked it prior to his complete failure as an entity - they may want to pay closer attention to their raw materials next time) and that Twilight was effectively high quality as romance porn despite its countless literary failings.]]]


Neither Twilight nor Justin Beiber are among the most successful products in their respective genres, far more artists have sold far more albums than Beiber, far more movies have been more successful than Twilight movies and far more books have sold more than the novels (and when one takes into account inflation of the dollar, the money made by others has been higher as well), so don't worry, those products are not the best.  In Music for example, that title goes to people such as Elvis, the Beatles and Jackson (and no one can honestly deny that they deserve such accolades)

 

 

 


Your argument still says that he's the best musician available on Youtube: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/24/justin-bieber-breaks-youtube-record-3-billion-views_n_2009900.html

As for Twilight - http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2009-08-03-twilight-series_N.htm

 

And you've done nothing to clear Okami of being defined, by your horrific reasoning, as worse than game like Wii-Music.

 

Maybe you should actually play through the game your bashing so I don't have to waste any more energy on this


Youtube views are free, no sales, so its irrelevant

That was back in 2009 when Twilight had such listings, and yet today its still is far behind many other books and book series in total sales.

So my point still stands :D

Okami was not  able to move consoles or garner any momentum, just because it had an interesting art style doesn't make it a great game


Okami's artstyle had was just icing for the damn good gameplay... also you're still saying it was worse than Wii-Music and countless other games? Do you really feel it was?

Also even with that qualifier you're still saying Twilight is better than countless great books, and are therefore saying Twilight is atleast great... Do you believe that to be the case?

As for Youtube views being free - ok I'll give you that.

 

The most important point however is: ACTUALLY PLAY FUCKING GAMES BEFORE YOU BERATE THEM! 

While unless you want to be cast aside as a sub-human troll; I'm thinking Homo-Praepostera would be a good species name for you, don't you agree? 



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Twilord said:
axt113 said:
Twilord said:
axt113 said:
Twilord said:
axt113 said:
Twilord said:
axt113 said:
It was not the best game, reviews don't decide success, sales and profitability do, if it had been the best game, Nintendo would not be reporting a loss for the last fiscal year


As a designer I'm gonna tell you an important adage that you can take with you:

"Success does demand quality, but quality does not demand success."

 

From a quality angle it was quite possible the best game of the last year, from a success angle you're completely right.


Books are touted as best selling, not best reviewed.

 

Without sales or profitability, you cannot define best, it is the consumers who have all the power, not the reviewers or the fanbois


If you use sales and profitablity as benchmarks of what is best then works like Okami suck while ones like Twilight and Justin Bieber Albums are among the best things ever. While that is financially true, and fascinating, it doesn't mean much.

 

[[[I realize it is true that Justin Bieber as a character was arguably high-quality (his music wasn't, but props to his character desigers for how well they worked it prior to his complete failure as an entity - they may want to pay closer attention to their raw materials next time) and that Twilight was effectively high quality as romance porn despite its countless literary failings.]]]


Neither Twilight nor Justin Beiber are among the most successful products in their respective genres, far more artists have sold far more albums than Beiber, far more movies have been more successful than Twilight movies and far more books have sold more than the novels (and when one takes into account inflation of the dollar, the money made by others has been higher as well), so don't worry, those products are not the best.  In Music for example, that title goes to people such as Elvis, the Beatles and Jackson (and no one can honestly deny that they deserve such accolades)

 

 

 


Your argument still says that he's the best musician available on Youtube: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/24/justin-bieber-breaks-youtube-record-3-billion-views_n_2009900.html

As for Twilight - http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2009-08-03-twilight-series_N.htm

 

And you've done nothing to clear Okami of being defined, by your horrific reasoning, as worse than game like Wii-Music.

 

Maybe you should actually play through the game your bashing so I don't have to waste any more energy on this


Youtube views are free, no sales, so its irrelevant

That was back in 2009 when Twilight had such listings, and yet today its still is far behind many other books and book series in total sales.

So my point still stands :D

Okami was not  able to move consoles or garner any momentum, just because it had an interesting art style doesn't make it a great game


Okami's artstyle had was just icing for the damn good gameplay... also you're still saying it was worse than Wii-Music and countless other games? Do you really feel it was?

Also even with that qualifier you're still saying Twilight is better than countless great books, and are therefore saying Twilight is atleast great... Do you believe that to be the case?

As for Youtube views being free - ok I'll give you that.

 

The most important point however is: ACTUALLY PLAY FUCKING GAMES BEFORE YOU BERATE THEM!

While unless you want to be cast aside as a sub-human troll; I'm thinking Homo-Praepostera would be a good species name for you, don't you agree?

A lot of other people were not enamored of Okami as sales showed

Many people, a lot of girls, consider Twilight to be great, I may not care for it, but I cannot deny that many others love the series

 

See its about people making votes with their dollars, this is how people let their ratings of products be known