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Di you like Russia?

Yes, I love it! 218 35.68%
 
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Russia is strange... 130 21.28%
 
Don't know yet, curious ... 67 10.97%
 
Don't know and don't care. 45 7.36%
 
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fighter said:
Sharu said:
fighter said:

What do you think of this ?:

"Putin and the Orthodox Church woke excessive nationalism, and it is now virtually impossible to release the pressure [on Ukraine] without losing feathers and some of Putin's (huge) popularity. Putin can certainly be criticized and condemned, and must be deterred. But Western policy towards Russia since 1992 has not been a model of intelligence. With arrogance and flippancy, Europe and the United States took advantage of the weakness of Moscow. The West considered that Moscow no longer counted and expanded NATO regardless of how the Russians felt. Europe was clumsy, we should have made Russia a partner. And today's Russia is a reality, and to be hating Putin, however damaging his actions may have been, or fighting him through NGOs and the media is not a policy.

We must first put the Ukrainian conflict in historical perspective. Ukraine should be a country-bridge between the two worlds. Putin is not stupid, he does not really want to recreate a great Russia, he also said, "Anyone who does not regret the Soviet Union has no heart. Whoever wants to reconstruct it has no head. " So he wants us to re-comply with Russia, despite his mistakes! In fact, we failed to understand that the Russians are not over the demise of the USSR. And Putin seeks opportunities to demonstrate the need to again consider Russia. He first had the conflict in Georgia in 2008. Today it's Ukraine. And with the terrible blunder of the Malaysian downed aircraft, in all likelihood, by his protected separatist rebels, he is on the defensive, will not overcome it, and will eventually recede. Ukrainians now must play their best game, winning back the east, provide guarantees for Russian speakers, and establish a dialogue."

In short - pure bullshit

lol, that's from one of the most respected if not the most respected experts in France (Hubert Vedrine)

I'm a bit not online now. If you're interested I can answer you later, line by line. I must say honestly, i didn't read it carefully, just looked thru fast. But there are some points that just have nothing in common with reality as a see it. 



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Sharu said:
fighter said:
Sharu said:
fighter said:

What do you think of this ?:

"Putin and the Orthodox Church woke excessive nationalism, and it is now virtually impossible to release the pressure [on Ukraine] without losing feathers and some of Putin's (huge) popularity. Putin can certainly be criticized and condemned, and must be deterred. But Western policy towards Russia since 1992 has not been a model of intelligence. With arrogance and flippancy, Europe and the United States took advantage of the weakness of Moscow. The West considered that Moscow no longer counted and expanded NATO regardless of how the Russians felt. Europe was clumsy, we should have made Russia a partner. And today's Russia is a reality, and to be hating Putin, however damaging his actions may have been, or fighting him through NGOs and the media is not a policy.

We must first put the Ukrainian conflict in historical perspective. Ukraine should be a country-bridge between the two worlds. Putin is not stupid, he does not really want to recreate a great Russia, he also said, "Anyone who does not regret the Soviet Union has no heart. Whoever wants to reconstruct it has no head. " So he wants us to re-comply with Russia, despite his mistakes! In fact, we failed to understand that the Russians are not over the demise of the USSR. And Putin seeks opportunities to demonstrate the need to again consider Russia. He first had the conflict in Georgia in 2008. Today it's Ukraine. And with the terrible blunder of the Malaysian downed aircraft, in all likelihood, by his protected separatist rebels, he is on the defensive, will not overcome it, and will eventually recede. Ukrainians now must play their best game, winning back the east, provide guarantees for Russian speakers, and establish a dialogue."

In short - pure bullshit

lol, that's from one of the most respected if not the most respected experts in France (Hubert Vedrine)

I'm a bit not online now. If you're interested I can answer you later, line by line. I must say honestly, i didn't read it carefully, just looked thru fast. But there are some points that just have nothing in common with reality as a see it. 


no worries, take your time



How are the Russians in your community reacting to this?

"A new government decree requiring Russians to provide their passport details when logging on to public Wi-Fi networks had Internet users up in arms on Friday."

"The Wi-Fi connection provider would have to collect the user's full name and passport information, and would have to store the data for six months, along with details of how long the person was logged on, according to the decree."

http://news.yahoo.com/fury-russia-over-wi-fi-curbs-174634165.html

 



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WorldBreakerHulk said:

How are the Russians in your community reacting to this?

"A new government decree requiring Russians to provide their passport details when logging on to public Wi-Fi networks had Internet users up in arms on Friday."

"The Wi-Fi connection provider would have to collect the user's full name and passport information, and would have to store the data for six months, along with details of how long the person was logged on, according to the decree."

http://news.yahoo.com/fury-russia-over-wi-fi-curbs-174634165.html

 

Once again, false piece of news. Some journalist didn't understand the new law, ant start making the hysteria on this. Simple - not true for usual users of public wi-fi nets.



Sharu said:
WorldBreakerHulk said:

How are the Russians in your community reacting to this?

"A new government decree requiring Russians to provide their passport details when logging on to public Wi-Fi networks had Internet users up in arms on Friday."

"The Wi-Fi connection provider would have to collect the user's full name and passport information, and would have to store the data for six months, along with details of how long the person was logged on, according to the decree."

http://news.yahoo.com/fury-russia-over-wi-fi-curbs-174634165.html

 

Once again, false piece of news. Some journalist didn't understand the new law, ant start making the hysteria on this. Simple - not true for usual users of public wi-fi nets.

Just an example of bad journalism, afaik it's going to be applied only to Rossvyaz's PKDs (that's how they call a Wi-Fi hotspot), that's a state-owned enterprise, they can do whatever. No connection to other serivce providers.

As for Internet censorship in general. Here it goes. This year "enemies of the Internet" are marked in pink, at least according to RWB :D



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And I just asked if their internet was censored and the answer was 'no'



Psychotic said:

And I just asked if their internet was censored and the answer was 'no'

Well, depends on what you consider censorship, I guess. Pretty sure some sort of censorship exists literally everywhere (like child porn ban), but I doubt RWB will consider this worrisome. According to RWB half of the world (quite literally) has some sort of censorship (pink + yellow colors). As for what actual actions or legislative acts influenced their descision, have no idea. You could educate yourself by reading their reports, or check alternative opinions if you want.



mai said:
Psychotic said:

And I just asked if their internet was censored and the answer was 'no'

Well, depends on what you consider censorship, I guess. Pretty sure some sort of censorship exists literally everywhere (like child porn ban), but I doubt RWB will consider this worrisome. According to RWB half of the world (quite literally) has some sort of censorship (pink + yellow colors). As for what actual actions or legislative acts influenced their descision, have no idea. You could educate yourself by reading their reports, or check alternative opinions if you want.

Well, I'm firmly in the green on this map, so if you mean censorship as in "the site is blocked", then I doubt there is something like that in this country... one of the free-est internets here.

I already checked out their report on Russia (thanks, btw, for bringing this up) - They block sites that host illegal content - which is agreeable I guess, but then again "promoting homosexuality" is illegal and I think as far as Moscow is concerned, saying it's normal or natural or inborn IS promoting it - and that would mean all scientific websites might as well be blocked... I'm sure they aren't, but the law makes it possible in the future.

What's worse, (according to Reporters Without Borders) the Russian government uses selective censorship to exact pro-govermnet propaganda. That would certainly explain why out friend Sharu seems to be quite sure about very complex issues like the Ukrainian offensive, not even conceding that the other side might have some truth to them, too...



Psychotic said:

What's worse, (according to Reporters Without Borders) the Russian government uses selective censorship to exact pro-govermnet propaganda. That would certainly explain why out friend Sharu seems to be quite sure about very complex issues like the Ukrainian offensive, not even conceding that the other side might have some truth to them, too...

You forget that I'm easily shecking English speaking sources if necessary. Also back to censorship. All the rusophobes freely speak in the Internet/radio "Echo Moskvy", GAZPROM sponsored. It hard to find somebody 'blocked' for anti-putin propaganda. From another side its a lot of examples when facebook/livejournal users get blocked for pro-russian propaganda, so it seems the internal censorship (of their Western owners) in those networks much stronger then governmental.



Sharu said:
Psychotic said:

What's worse, (according to Reporters Without Borders) the Russian government uses selective censorship to exact pro-govermnet propaganda. That would certainly explain why out friend Sharu seems to be quite sure about very complex issues like the Ukrainian offensive, not even conceding that the other side might have some truth to them, too...

You forget that I'm easily shecking English speaking sources if necessary. Also back to censorship. All the rusophobes freely speak in the Internet/radio "Echo Moskvy", GAZPROM sponsored. It hard to find somebody 'blocked' for anti-putin propaganda. From another side its a lot of examples when facebook/livejournal users get blocked for pro-russian propaganda, so it seems the internal censorship (of their Western owners) in those networks much stronger then governmental.


Sooo... they're lying, then? The analysts, I mean.