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Forums - Sales Discussion - PS3+PS2 outsell 360+Wii by 1 million

TWRoO on 02 August 2012
shanbcn said:
kowenicki said:

Turkish is in full defence mode today... lol

Anyway, broken down, I'd say 1.7m for PS3 and 1.1m for PS2 as Sony stated both were down.

so lowest qtr 1 PS3 shipments for some time.

Yes both are down because last Q1 they sold 3.2m combined, and this 2.8m. I dont see PS2 selling 1.1m this quarter, must likely PS3 sold 2m. We should get real numbers soon because combined these numbers doesnt make any sense.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/12q1_sony.pdf

"Sales decreased 14.5% year-on-year (a 10% decrease on a constant currency basis) to 118.0 billion yen (1,493
million U.S. dollars). This decrease was primarily due to lower sales of hardware and software of the PSP®
(PlayStation Portable) and PlayStation®3, partially offset by the contribution of the PlayStation®Vita introduced
from December 2011."



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gentii on 02 August 2012

veri nice m8 but why at this time??? because you like this lol

wait the holy days xbox360 and wii will ship triple



TWRoO on 02 August 2012
kowenicki said:
TWRoO said:
shanbcn said:
kowenicki said:

Turkish is in full defence mode today... lol

Anyway, broken down, I'd say 1.7m for PS3 and 1.1m for PS2 as Sony stated both were down.

so lowest qtr 1 PS3 shipments for some time.

Yes both are down because last Q1 they sold 3.2m combined, and this 2.8m. I dont see PS2 selling 1.1m this quarter, must likely PS3 sold 2m. We should get real numbers soon because combined these numbers doesnt make any sense.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/12q1_sony.pdf

"Sales decreased 14.5% year-on-year (a 10% decrease on a constant currency basis) to 118.0 billion yen (1,493
million U.S. dollars). This decrease was primarily due to lower sales of hardware and software of the PSP®
(PlayStation Portable) and PlayStation®3, partially offset by the contribution of the PlayStation®Vita introduced
from December 2011."


primarily... so PS3 and PSP fell more than PS2.   1.7m max for PS3.  1.5m to 1.7m.  

The only possible kink is that when Sony say "Sales" they actually mean the revenue they make.... I don't follow PS3 news much, has there been a price cut since last year? (if yes then it is still possible for shipment figures to be (at least marginally) higher than last years Q1)



shanbcn on 02 August 2012
kowenicki said:
shanbcn said:
kowenicki said:

Turkish is in full defence mode today... lol

Anyway, broken down, I'd say 1.7m for PS3 and 1.1m for PS2 as Sony stated both were down.

so lowest qtr 1 PS3 shipments for some time.

Yes both are down because last Q1 they sold 3.2m combined, and this 2.8m. I dont see PS2 selling 1.1m this quarter, must likely PS3 sold 2m. We should get real numbers soon because combined these numbers doesnt make any sense.

Possibly.  But they seem to ship PS2 differently.  Last year they shipped a massive amount in one quarter and then much reduced thereafter if i recall correctly.


Sony is doing this to hide horrible Vita sales. Sony statement

"This decrease was primarily due to lower sales of hardware and software of the PSP® (PlayStation Portable) and PlayStation®3, partially offset by the contribution of the PlayStation®Vita introduced  from December 2011. "

Offset by Vita Launch? They are justifing Vita development but i dont think investors are that stupid to not know how horrible its doing.



Argh_College on 02 August 2012
kowenicki said:
Total shipments:

Wii 96.56m
360 68.30m
PS3 65.63m

PS3 and 360 shipment gap is 2.67m

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=129135&page=1

Next Quarter is usally bigger for Ps3 than 360 to i expect 3.2m Ps3 and 2.2M 360 and the gap will go down to 1.6 and grow to 3.6 in the last Q of the year.



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shanbcn on 02 August 2012
TWRoO said:
shanbcn said:
kowenicki said:

Turkish is in full defence mode today... lol

Anyway, broken down, I'd say 1.7m for PS3 and 1.1m for PS2 as Sony stated both were down.

so lowest qtr 1 PS3 shipments for some time.

Yes both are down because last Q1 they sold 3.2m combined, and this 2.8m. I dont see PS2 selling 1.1m this quarter, must likely PS3 sold 2m. We should get real numbers soon because combined these numbers doesnt make any sense.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/12q1_sony.pdf

"Sales decreased 14.5% year-on-year (a 10% decrease on a constant currency basis) to 118.0 billion yen (1,493
million U.S. dollars). This decrease was primarily due to lower sales of hardware and software of the PSP®
(PlayStation Portable) and PlayStation®3, partially offset by the contribution of the PlayStation®Vita introduced
from December 2011."


Last quarter Sony eventually released Vita shipment figure, so hopefully they will breakdown between PS3 and PS2 also.



TWRoO on 02 August 2012
kowenicki said:
TWRoO said:
kowenicki said:
TWRoO said:

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/12q1_sony.pdf

"Sales decreased 14.5% year-on-year (a 10% decrease on a constant currency basis) to 118.0 billion yen (1,493
million U.S. dollars). This decrease was primarily due to lower sales of hardware and software of the PSP®
(PlayStation Portable) and PlayStation®3, partially offset by the contribution of the PlayStation®Vita introduced
from December 2011."

primarily... so PS3 and PSP fell more than PS2.   1.7m max for PS3.  1.5m to 1.7m.  

The only possible kink is that when Sony say "Sales" they actually mean the revenue they make.... I don't follow PS3 news much, has there been a price cut since last year? (if yes then it is still possible for shipment figures to be (at least marginally) higher than last years Q1)

Thats not it.  They actually said revenue is down primarily due to lower sales of hardware and software for the PSP and PS3. 

I copied the statement from their files. You could be right in their meaning, as they also use "Unit sales" when talking about shipments, but everywhere it sales "sales" on it's own it then gives figures in Yen.

For example this bit from the MP&C division definately indicated "sales" means money in the bolded bit (also mentioning "segment sales" a few times, also meaning money) whereas the next bolded bit specifies "unit sales"

"Sales increased 132.9% year-on-year (a 151% increase on a constant currency basis) to 285.6 billion yen (3,615
million U.S. dollars). This increase was primarily due to the consolidation of Sony Mobile, partially offset by
lower sales of PCs mainly resulting from price declines.
On a pro forma basis, had Sony Mobile been fully consolidated in the same quarter of the previous fiscal year,
segment sales would have increased approximately 14%. This increase was primarily due to higher average
selling prices of mobile phones resulting from a shift to smartphones from feature phones, and higher unit sales of
smartphones driven mainly by the strong performance of XperiaTM S and XperiaTM acro HD."

The first bolded bit indicates PC sales were down, but that was mainly due to price declines and not neccessarily lower unit sales.
The second bolded bit is after mentioning segment sales would have increased due to both higher selling prices and unit sales.



TWRoO on 02 August 2012
shanbcn said:
TWRoO said:

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/12q1_sony.pdf

"Sales decreased 14.5% year-on-year (a 10% decrease on a constant currency basis) to 118.0 billion yen (1,493
million U.S. dollars). This decrease was primarily due to lower sales of hardware and software of the PSP®
(PlayStation Portable) and PlayStation®3, partially offset by the contribution of the PlayStation®Vita introduced
from December 2011."


Last quarter Sony eventually released Vita shipment figure, so hopefully they will breakdown between PS3 and PS2 also.

Did they?

Can you link me to it as I can't find anything that definitely includes (never mind specifies) Vita shipments pre-April.



TWRoO on 02 August 2012
kowenicki said:
TWRoO said:

I copied the statement from their files. You could be right in their meaning, as they also use "Unit sales" when talking about shipments, but everywhere it sales "sales" on it's own it then gives figures in Yen.

For example this bit from the MP&C division definately indicated "sales" means money in the bolded bit (also mentioning "segment sales" a few times, also meaning money) whereas the next bolded bit specifies "unit sales"

"Sales increased 132.9% year-on-year (a 151% increase on a constant currency basis) to 285.6 billion yen (3,615
million U.S. dollars). This increase was primarily due to the consolidation of Sony Mobile, partially offset by
lower sales of PCs mainly resulting from price declines.
On a pro forma basis, had Sony Mobile been fully consolidated in the same quarter of the previous fiscal year,
segment sales would have increased approximately 14%. This increase was primarily due to higher average
selling prices of mobile phones resulting from a shift to smartphones from feature phones, and higher unit sales of
smartphones driven mainly by the strong performance of XperiaTM S and XperiaTM acro HD."

The first bolded bit indicates PC sales were down, but that was mainly due to price declines and not neccessarily lower unit sales.
The second bolded bit is after mentioning segment sales would have increased due to both higher selling prices and unit sales.

Either way it wouldnt make any difference.  Neither PS2 nor PS3 has had a price cut.  So lower sales revenue would = lower sales in units sold.

Ok then. (though it would be nice if Sony made things clearer)



mantlepiecek on 02 August 2012

PS3 had a price cut in 2011 though.