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angelsaremyplaything said:

disolitude said:

"A duh, Sony had the common sense to partner with a runner up but MS is just not going to get anywhere "

Sony didn't "partner" with anyone. They grabbed a free copy of Android and off they went making phones. Luckily for the OEMs like Sony and HTC, Android and Windows phone OS exist as they would be absolutely murdered by Apple if they had to come up with an operating system for their phones themselves. Only HP/Palm and maybe Nokia would stand a chance against Apple without Android and WP7 OS.

I think having the android app store along side pssuite on the psphone qualifies as partnered 

The term "partnered" means that both parties have a stake in the final product and both support for it. Google does not have direct support, service or warranty for any android OS device that is put on any phone. Its all on the manufacturers shoulders...

Maybe that is why Apple is able to sue Samsung and HTC and Microsoft is suing everyone using Android for patent issues. 



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disolitude said:
angelsaremyplaything said:

disolitude said:

"A duh, Sony had the common sense to partner with a runner up but MS is just not going to get anywhere "

Sony didn't "partner" with anyone. They grabbed a free copy of Android and off they went making phones. Luckily for the OEMs like Sony and HTC, Android and Windows phone OS exist as they would be absolutely murdered by Apple if they had to come up with an operating system for their phones themselves. Only HP/Palm and maybe Nokia would stand a chance against Apple without Android and WP7 OS.

I think having the android app store along side pssuite on the psphone qualifies as partnered 

The term "partnered" means that both parties have a stake in the final product and both support for it. Google does not have direct support, service or warranty for any android OS device that is put on any phone. Its all on the manufacturers shoulders...

Maybe that is why Apple is able to sue Samsung and HTC and Microsoft is suing everyone using Android for patent issues. 

Who brought up google?



angelsaremyplaything said:
disolitude said:
angelsaremyplaything said:

disolitude said:

"A duh, Sony had the common sense to partner with a runner up but MS is just not going to get anywhere "

Sony didn't "partner" with anyone. They grabbed a free copy of Android and off they went making phones. Luckily for the OEMs like Sony and HTC, Android and Windows phone OS exist as they would be absolutely murdered by Apple if they had to come up with an operating system for their phones themselves. Only HP/Palm and maybe Nokia would stand a chance against Apple without Android and WP7 OS.

I think having the android app store along side pssuite on the psphone qualifies as partnered 

The term "partnered" means that both parties have a stake in the final product and both support for it. Google does not have direct support, service or warranty for any android OS device that is put on any phone. Its all on the manufacturers shoulders...

Maybe that is why Apple is able to sue Samsung and HTC and Microsoft is suing everyone using Android for patent issues. 

Who brought up google?

You did by saying Sony "partnered up" with Android. Guess who makes Android?



disolitude said:
angelsaremyplaything said:
disolitude said:
angelsaremyplaything said:

disolitude said:

"A duh, Sony had the common sense to partner with a runner up but MS is just not going to get anywhere "

Sony didn't "partner" with anyone. They grabbed a free copy of Android and off they went making phones. Luckily for the OEMs like Sony and HTC, Android and Windows phone OS exist as they would be absolutely murdered by Apple if they had to come up with an operating system for their phones themselves. Only HP/Palm and maybe Nokia would stand a chance against Apple without Android and WP7 OS.

I think having the android app store along side pssuite on the psphone qualifies as partnered 

The term "partnered" means that both parties have a stake in the final product and both support for it. Google does not have direct support, service or warranty for any android OS device that is put on any phone. Its all on the manufacturers shoulders...

Maybe that is why Apple is able to sue Samsung and HTC and Microsoft is suing everyone using Android for patent issues. 

Who brought up google?

You did by saying Sony "partnered up" with Android. Guess who makes Android?

How is the andriod ap store not direct support?



angelsaremyplaything said:
disolitude said:
angelsaremyplaything said:
disolitude said:
angelsaremyplaything said:

disolitude said:

"A duh, Sony had the common sense to partner with a runner up but MS is just not going to get anywhere "

Sony didn't "partner" with anyone. They grabbed a free copy of Android and off they went making phones. Luckily for the OEMs like Sony and HTC, Android and Windows phone OS exist as they would be absolutely murdered by Apple if they had to come up with an operating system for their phones themselves. Only HP/Palm and maybe Nokia would stand a chance against Apple without Android and WP7 OS.

I think having the android app store along side pssuite on the psphone qualifies as partnered 

The term "partnered" means that both parties have a stake in the final product and both support for it. Google does not have direct support, service or warranty for any android OS device that is put on any phone. Its all on the manufacturers shoulders...

Maybe that is why Apple is able to sue Samsung and HTC and Microsoft is suing everyone using Android for patent issues. 

Who brought up google?

You did by saying Sony "partnered up" with Android. Guess who makes Android?

How is the andriod ap store not direct support?

Cause if andoid app store goes down, blows up your phone, kidnaps your new born child...etc...Google is not responsible for it. Its there, for free for anyone that wants to grab it, so essintially microsoft could make a dual boot windows phone/Android handset with access to android app store if they wanted to. I wish they did actually...



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Without the Nokia deal I don't think it had much hope. The new Nokia's won't start shipipng in large numbers until next spring and I'm not sure if the first wave will go to the US or not. I hope it does since my last three phones have all been nokia's



disolitude said:
angelsaremyplaything said:
disolitude said:
angelsaremyplaything said:
disolitude said:
angelsaremyplaything said:

disolitude said:

"A duh, Sony had the common sense to partner with a runner up but MS is just not going to get anywhere "

Sony didn't "partner" with anyone. They grabbed a free copy of Android and off they went making phones. Luckily for the OEMs like Sony and HTC, Android and Windows phone OS exist as they would be absolutely murdered by Apple if they had to come up with an operating system for their phones themselves. Only HP/Palm and maybe Nokia would stand a chance against Apple without Android and WP7 OS.

I think having the android app store along side pssuite on the psphone qualifies as partnered 

The term "partnered" means that both parties have a stake in the final product and both support for it. Google does not have direct support, service or warranty for any android OS device that is put on any phone. Its all on the manufacturers shoulders...

Maybe that is why Apple is able to sue Samsung and HTC and Microsoft is suing everyone using Android for patent issues. 

Who brought up google?

You did by saying Sony "partnered up" with Android. Guess who makes Android?

How is the andriod ap store not direct support?

Cause if andoid app store goes down, blows up your phone, kidnaps your new born child...etc...Google is not responsible for it. Its there, for free for anyone that wants to grab it, so essintially microsoft could make a dual boot windows phone/Android handset with access to android app store if they wanted to. I wish they did actually...

Wow MS has even less common sense then I thought they did... and despite your objections I think andriod and Sony do have a partnership atleast moreso then andriod and the others 



The core of the problem is that Android has the lion's share of interested from handset makers. Since Android and WM7 are handset-agnostic, its obvious that manufacturers are going to go with whatever they feel will make their phone sell better.

Of course, Android came out sooner and has a lot more interest and advertising dollars behind it, so its going to do better. Nokia coming on board will be a very significant move in the right direction (probably to the tune of 15-20% market share by the time they make the switch).

The real question is if other manufacturers come on board in a big way or not. Nokia's smartphone market share has been dropping faster than a rock (relatively)....So Microsoft is buying into a weakening manufacturer.

I'm unsure if the overall move will let MS win in any way. Likely, it will make them more viable than say....RIM, but that is hardly an accomplishment now.



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mrstickball said:
The core of the problem is that Android has the lion's share of interested from handset makers. Since Android and WM7 are handset-agnostic, its obvious that manufacturers are going to go with whatever they feel will make their phone sell better.

Of course, Android came out sooner and has a lot more interest and advertising dollars behind it, so its going to do better. Nokia coming on board will be a very significant move in the right direction (probably to the tune of 15-20% market share by the time they make the switch).

The real question is if other manufacturers come on board in a big way or not. Nokia's smartphone market share has been dropping faster than a rock (relatively)....So Microsoft is buying into a weakening manufacturer.

I'm unsure if the overall move will let MS win in any way. Likely, it will make them more viable than say....RIM, but that is hardly an accomplishment now.


Yep, the problem is that Android got there with a modular OS solution first. 

As OS vendors, Google and Microsoft aren't exactly selling to customers, they're selling to handset manufacturers and the carriers who contract them. Android offers a more established ecosystem, an OS which can be customized with UIs and pre-loaded software for differentiation, and does it at the low price of free (though usually the manufacturer chooses to pay for licensed Google apps). Even if a manufacturer were looking at each platform fresh, Android looks more attractive, and then you consider that most of them have already invested a lot of R&D working on Android handsets.

Other than the Nokia deal, the only other big asset Microsoft has is that the price of Android keeps creeping up as Android vendors keep losing lawsuits. Sometimes free isn't so free, and it's easy to see how a manufacturer might decide to take shelter under Microsoft's umbrella rather than paying to fight Google's legal battles.



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famousringo said:
mrstickball said:
The core of the problem is that Android has the lion's share of interested from handset makers. Since Android and WM7 are handset-agnostic, its obvious that manufacturers are going to go with whatever they feel will make their phone sell better.

Of course, Android came out sooner and has a lot more interest and advertising dollars behind it, so its going to do better. Nokia coming on board will be a very significant move in the right direction (probably to the tune of 15-20% market share by the time they make the switch).

The real question is if other manufacturers come on board in a big way or not. Nokia's smartphone market share has been dropping faster than a rock (relatively)....So Microsoft is buying into a weakening manufacturer.

I'm unsure if the overall move will let MS win in any way. Likely, it will make them more viable than say....RIM, but that is hardly an accomplishment now.


Yep, the problem is that Android got there with a modular OS solution first. 

As OS vendors, Google and Microsoft aren't exactly selling to customers, they're selling to handset manufacturers and the carriers who contract them. Android offers a more established ecosystem, an OS which can be customized with UIs and pre-loaded software for differentiation, and does it at the low price of free (though usually the manufacturer chooses to pay for licensed Google apps). Even if a manufacturer were looking at each platform fresh, Android looks more attractive, and then you consider that most of them have already invested a lot of R&D working on Android handsets.

Other than the Nokia deal, the only other big asset Microsoft has is that the price of Android keeps creeping up as Android vendors keep losing lawsuits. Sometimes free isn't so free, and it's easy to see how a manufacturer might decide to take shelter under Microsoft's umbrella rather than paying to fight Google's legal battles.

Guys don't forget that:

1. You can only buy iOS with expensive phone

2. W7P also has not so small minimal requirments

3. Android runs on almost everything which means their phones are cheapest



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