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ProfDallas on 20 November 2007
whatever said:
ProfDallas said:
The region-free thing was a big mistake on HD-DVDs part. Not to spam the thread, but studios prefer region encoding b/c it makes things easier for DVD pirates to make fake DVDs and they usually put a lot of movies for HD-DVD out later than BD as a result, for the studios that are neutral anyway.

Again all of these security things might not seem to matter much to the consumer, but as a consumer you should want them, because consumers will ultimately have to pay more for their movies if a lot of pirating goes on.

Region encoding is one of the biggest farces foisted on consumers ever.  It has nothing to do with pirating and everything to do with controlling prices/distribution within a region.  The reason an HD DVD might be delayed is because a movie may still be in theatres internationally when the DVD is release, so they don't want people to import it.  It has nothing to do with piracy.  At least get your facts straight.

To say this is bad for consumers is just beyond ridiculous.  You've taken Blu-ray fanboyism to a new level.  The best way for consumer to get rid of region encoding forever is to support HD DVD over Blu-ray.


 

I really don't see why this theatres/import region that you give is relevant, because most of the time the DVD/BD/HDVD or whatever will come at least 9 months later than when it was shown in theatres anyway.  It doesn't make a lot of sense for even international theatres to wait sooo looonnnnggg after the movie comes out in american theatres to still have the movie playing unless they are those budget type of theatres, which won't really get factored into any kind of important decisions anyway.   



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ProfDallas on 20 November 2007
kn said:
Why is region free a mistake? Why should consumers have to pay more for movies when pirating goes on? And why should we have to deal with draconian measures to stop pirating? This is yet another case that punishes the masses for the few law breakers. A simple copy protection scheme that keeps a DVD from being burned to another copy is all that is necessary. Software that is designed to crack or bypass such copy protection should be made illegal and anyone caught with the software or illegal copies should be punished. The end. If I'm buying my movies legit, there should be no consequences for me, the legal owner...

Oh, and BTW, here is the page on Amazon:

http://amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/ref=sv_etk_ce_av__1/103-9857581-7310201

"Why is region free a mistake?"

I've explained that.

 

"Why should consumers have to pay more for movies when pirating goes on?" 

That's business, but my point isn't about what is right or wrong, only about what is going on.



Thanks to kenobi after I got him to ban my old account (dallas) after someone hacked into it and being ok with me coming back under a slightly different username.  I appreciate our communication in the PMs.  Also I want to give a big thank you to vgchartz for being one of the cooler websites around. 

Oh, and I'm still the next Michael Pachter

whatever on 20 November 2007
ProfDallas said:
whatever said:
ProfDallas said:
The region-free thing was a big mistake on HD-DVDs part. Not to spam the thread, but studios prefer region encoding b/c it makes things easier for DVD pirates to make fake DVDs and they usually put a lot of movies for HD-DVD out later than BD as a result, for the studios that are neutral anyway.

Again all of these security things might not seem to matter much to the consumer, but as a consumer you should want them, because consumers will ultimately have to pay more for their movies if a lot of pirating goes on.

Region encoding is one of the biggest farces foisted on consumers ever. It has nothing to do with pirating and everything to do with controlling prices/distribution within a region. The reason an HD DVD might be delayed is because a movie may still be in theatres internationally when the DVD is release, so they don't want people to import it. It has nothing to do with piracy. At least get your facts straight.

To say this is bad for consumers is just beyond ridiculous. You've taken Blu-ray fanboyism to a new level. The best way for consumer to get rid of region encoding forever is to support HD DVD over Blu-ray.


 

I really don't see why this theatres/import region that you give is relevant, because most of the time the DVD/BD/HDVD or whatever will come at least 9 months later than when it was shown in theatres anyway. It doesn't make a lot of sense for even international theatres to wait sooo looonnnnggg after the movie comes out in american theatres to still have the movie playing unless they are those budget type of theatres, which won't really get factored into any kind of important decisions anyway.

 

Movies don't get released in all countries simultaneosly.  Sometimes the DVD is already out in the US before the movies is even in theatres in some international markets.

 

From New Line Cinema's

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/958

Although New Line's dual-format support had long been expected, its staggered release of 'Hairspray' on HD DVD came as a surprise. Lasorsa attributed the delay to HD DVD's current lack of region coding.

"Since we sell to independent international distributors, we have to be more sensitive to their release dates than a major studio," Lasorsa added. "But for second-party acquisitions to which we don't have international rights, we will be day-and-date on all three formats."

 

Like I said, has nothing to do with piracy.  And as a consumer, I want to be able to play movies from other "regions" without having to worry about some ridiculous coding scheme.  Consumers have complained about this scheme since its introduction.

The way I look at it, Toshiba/HD DVD listened to the consumer whereas Sony/Blu-ray didn't (or they just listened to the bean counters at the studios).  So I feel that Toshiba/HD DVD deserves the support and Sony/Blu-ray does not.



ProfDallas on 20 November 2007

From the segment of the article that you posted, whatever:

"Although New Line's dual-format support had long been expected, its staggered release of 'Hairspray' on HD DVD came as a surprise. Lasorsa attributed the delay to HD DVD's current lack of region coding."

And in most circumstances, you're going to get HD-DVD movies coming out a lot later than BD, for neutral studios which is one of the things that has pushed the market in Bd's favor.



Thanks to kenobi after I got him to ban my old account (dallas) after someone hacked into it and being ok with me coming back under a slightly different username.  I appreciate our communication in the PMs.  Also I want to give a big thank you to vgchartz for being one of the cooler websites around. 

Oh, and I'm still the next Michael Pachter

whatever on 20 November 2007
ProfDallas said:
From the segment of the article that you posted, whatever:

"Although New Line's dual-format support had long been expected, its staggered release of 'Hairspray' on HD DVD came as a surprise. Lasorsa attributed the delay to HD DVD's current lack of region coding."

And in most circumstances, you're going to get HD-DVD movies coming out a lot later than BD, for neutral studios which is one of the things that has pushed the market in Bd's favor.



Do you not comprehend what I was getting at?  I was giving you an example of a studio delaying an HD DVD release because of a movies release dates internationally.  I was refuting your reasons that studios use region encoding.  It has NOTHING to do with piracy.

As for a supposed advantage for Blu-ray.  Note the "Since we sell to independent international distributors, we have to be more sensitive to their release dates than a major studio,"

To say that "in most circumstances" an HD DVD release will come later than BD is just not true.  Warner will never do that.

You should quit with these crazy posts before you lose any more credibility. 



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FishyJoe on 21 November 2007

Here's another deal from costco. Toshiba Model HD-D3 + 7 movies for $159. Only good through Friday though.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11248468&search=toshiba%20hd-dvd&Mo=0&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-US&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Sp=S&N=0&whse=BC&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ne=4000000&D=toshiba%20hd-dvd&Ntt=toshiba%20hd-dvd&No=0&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&topnav=&s=1 



kn on 22 November 2007

And yet another.... Toshiba A3 player plus 10 movies for $159 shipped at amazon. Go to www.amazon.com and search for the Toshiba HD-A3 player. Click the model number link when it comes up. It will come up with a $169 price from beach video or something. Look to the right and you'll see a "More Buying Choices" on the right side with no price. Click on Amazon add to cart button and it will add the player for $159 to your cart.

Then click here:


http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=pe_20890_7374510_fe_img_1/?ie=UTF8&docId=1000167901

Select your 3 free and then proceed to checkout. The three will be discounted. Select super saver shipping (free) and you have a Toshiba HD-A3 player with 3 movies you picked from their list, 2 in the box (bourne and 300) plus the 5 mail in for $159 shipped.



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Ickalanda on 23 November 2007

Awesome. We just got a HD DVD player in a new lap top we got. We should be getting an actual player eventually except we don't have an HD TV.



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