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Snoorlax on 11 January 2020
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Slownenberg said:

I don't think marketing is that big a reason. Nintendo commercials and the like have never been a big seller of the systems. Word of mouth is what sells Nintendo. Wii had that, Switch has that. A friend has Switch, other people play it, and are like oh I gotta have that, and word spreads. Switch's marketing is baked into the fact that its got the awesome hybrid design and got must-have versions of the great Nintendo games everyone loves.

The Wii had marketing everywhere even in famous magazines so of course it managed to outsell both PS3 and 360. Word of mouth helps but it did nothing for the WiiU.

The reason why your attempts at an analysis fail is because you already struggle to determine that the Wii U was a bad console. And yes, the Dreamcast was bad, the GameCube was ultimately bad too and of course the Vita was terrible.

Nintendo put out a Wii vs. Wii U comparison sheet because they couldn't believe that the Wii U was perceived as inferior to the Wii.

A great argument in favor of AAA third party games you have there. "Nintendo fans very much want AAA third party games, it's just that there's no proof for it."

Indies don't need a more powerful Switch, so your closing paragraph in your original post can only refer to AAA third party games. Nintendo doesn't need AAA third party support and there hasn't been anything essential that has changed since the NES days.

My definition of a bad console is a console that doesn't work properly as it's supposed to and as it was advertised. The WiiU works, the off-TV gaming works, has quality games and i had some good times with it. Is it underpowered? Yes. Could it have been a better console? Definitely. Is it trash? Nope. Your definition of bad is, "well if it didn't sell enough units it sucks!" Yeah some good reasoning there.

Nope, Nintendo put that comparison out because people were still confused whether WiiU is a ad-on for the Wii or not.

"Everything i say is what matters, i don't care about facts nor any kind of reasoning cause my opinion is all that matters!" That's basically what you're saying the whole time. BTW if you are a Nintendo fan you would know that fans have been complaining about no 3rd party support on Nintendo consoles ever since the N64 days, you would know this unless you were born yesterday.

If Nintendo wants to compete with Sony and MS, like they should, then yes they do need a beefier iteration of Switch. Do i need to remind you that we are not in 1985 anymore when Nintendo had a complete monopoly on the gaming industry and there was virtually no competition? It seems to me like you want the Switch to be another WiiU where it suffers of multiple months long droughts until the next first party game releases. I'll say it again, Nintendo needs 3rd party games, Nintendo got away with the Wii but it didn't work out for the WiiU, nor the GC and N64. Where the hell were you during the WiiU days? Switch getting more 3rd party support is a good thing and one that Nintendo needs to keep sales growing.

javi741 said:

3.Marketing- The Wii U's marketing was completely garbage, a good portion of people still don't know that the Wii U exists or is a controller add-on for the original Wii. The name didn't sound like a whole new next gen system, it sounded more like an Add-On and too many of the advertisements focused on the gamepad controller rather than the console making people very confused to what it was. Even for the few who did know what a Wii U was, the advertisements made it seems like a children and casual family system, when casual families moved onto smartphones and tablets and children were in the very small minority of gamers worldwide. making the Wii U appeal to very few gamers. However, Nintendo's marketing all changed with the Switch, they removed the cancerous Wii name from the Switch which let consumers know this was an entirely new system from Nintendo and the advertisements made the Switch's concept clear that it was a console you can happen to play on the go anywhere in a multitude of ways. And Nintendo started finally marketing to adults in their commericials, making the Switch's image seem more accepted by the adult crowd, which is the majority of gamers right now.


5.3rd Party Support- It's clear that since the SNES, Nintendo has struggled to gain 3rd Party Support on their home consoles for a variety of reasons. However,now with the Switch, you could argue that this may be Nintendo's best 3rd Party console since the SNES. We're seeing 3rd Party Games that you wouldn't ever imagine would see the light of day on an underpowered Nintendo system, such as the Witcher 3, MK11, Outer Worlds, Doom, ECT...And unlike other Nintendo systems where 3rd party games would struggle to sell due to the market. 3rd party games are selling well on the Switch since the Switch has the added benefit of playing full 3rd party console games on the go. As a result of this 3rd party support, many non Nintendo gamers are purchasing a Switch to play their favorite 3rd party game anywhere. Also Switch is full of exclsuive Indie and JRPG games you can't find anywhere else, also helping the Switch's 3rd party lineup.

Exactly, Nintendo has finally learned that most gamers today are grown ups and while they do like Nintendo games they also want to try out different games without the need of buying another console. Making the Switch portable and capable of playing other 3rd party games on the go is a good reason the buy 3rd party games on Switch.

And yeah 3rd party games are important the SNES was indeed the last Nintendo to enjoy major 3rd party support and now Switch will hopefully bring this back to Nintendo systems.

Last edited by Snoorlax - on 11 January 2020