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Azzanation said:
SammyGiireal said:

I disagree about the implosion.  Both the PS3 and the 360 were successful in their gen with Sony winning by a small margin but building enough mid to late gen exclusives in order to carry over into this current gen. The Wiis success with the casual market is the only strange occurrence in the past two gens, and Nintendo paid for it (conquering the casual non habitual gamers while losing the hardcore gamers to Sony and Microsoft) with the Wii U.  There was no implosion from a front runner, both MS and Sony were in a good standing prior to Don Mattricks folly. If anything the PS3 closed out the strongest last gen.

Sorry Sammy, the PS3 lost more money last gen than any other console maker and at a time when Sony as a brand was falling, the PS3 almost added the nail in the coffin. 

As a major business standpoint the PS3 was a flop. The 360 would be too however there income and revenue gain from Live members would have eaten up a lot of the costs of the 360 and Red Ring of Death issues and actually probably made the 360 profitable (However MS doesn't show Membership profits in there end of year results). Hence why Sony followed suit this gen with the PS4.

The XB1 might have also come out the gate similar to the PS3, but the XB1 isn't a flop interms of a business profiting stand point, its just the PS4 is making a lot more money this time around. I don't believe the XB1 has lost MS billions like the PS3 or 360 has in the past. Its why MS are still making consoles next gen, its not about the sales numbers eclipsing the other sales numbers, its all about the profits and Xbox consoles profit the most through memberships.

https://www.vg247.com/2013/01/07/xbox-360-and-ps3-losses-total-8-billion-ex-sony-employee-paints-grim-future/

360 sold 85m Lost $3b 

PS3 sold 87m Lost $5b

A 2m sales difference in platform sales and yet a $2b more lost overall, I would say you would much rather the lower sale platform than the extra billions lost. Also add the fact last gen Xbox 360 also sold more software overall and had income from millions of live members makes this a no brainer in which console is more successful than the other.

Good points to know. But wouldn't you say that Sony's PS3's late gen push recovered a lot of gamers with exclusives and thus outsold the 360 paving the way for the PS4s crushing success. Sony was the favorite this gen they had built the momentum, no one imploded.