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Pemalite said:
mysteryman said:

What if, instead of a few select individuals, the majority of the planet genuinely has faith in the flying spaghetti monster?

What the majority believes is ultimately irrelevant... Again. Scientific method.

There have been historical instances where a particular belief was held by the majority and it was false.

The scientific method has flown us to other planets, it has given us advanced medicines that cure all sorts of ailments, has allowed us to travel great distances at speed and all the other modern comforts we enjoy today.

I think we can trust it over baseless religious assertions, it has the better track record in the end.

o_O.Q said:

the things that really matter in life cannot be substantiated via the scientific method

deep fundamental things like love for a significant other, pride in one's country, gender identity, fear of the unknown etc etc etc

i'd argue that more than anything else these and other intangible aspects of existence are what is most important

Yes they can.
Love can actually be explained scientifically as everything in our bodies is governed by electro-chemical impulses, governed by our brains.

Other feelings like Pride, Gender and Fear are the same.

But just because you feel pride, love and so on... Doesn't mean God/Gods actually exists.

Mr Puggsly said:

Pretty sure Rome was on the decline by the time that happen. There was a lack of unity, poorly run government, they started relying on foreigners to fight their battles, etc.

Christianity doesent ruin countries, empires or whatever, atleast not by design. Its not Islam which plays a much bigger role in how countries operate.

Islam and Christianity are based on the same religious context, same God... Same "rules". (I.E. No eating Pork.)
The blame for one can be leveled against the other in my opinion.

Christianity has been guilty of a ton of historical grievances... I mean. The Crusades and all that.

Jumpin said:

I do agree it's a huge stretch to consider Christianity as a reason for the downfall of the Roman Empire. If anything, the early Christians were the more intellectual class of the Romans. "Pagan" was basically a word that meant "bumpkin" in Latin. The Pagans were the equivalent to today's Christian right-wingers who make all these claims about "God hates f**s" and don't actually read the bible (because the majority of those sorts are functionally illiterate, uneducated, and mentally slow).

Point I was trying to convey was correlation doesn't equate to causation.
Christianity had certainly rose to prominence when Rome fell, regardless if Rome was already in decline... It certainly didn't help the empire!



"Yes they can.
Love can actually be explained scientifically as everything in our bodies is governed by electro-chemical impulses, governed by our brains."

ok, i'm waiting on that explanation

"Other feelings like Pride, Gender and Fear are the same."

ok, i'm waiting on that explanation

"But just because you feel pride, love and so on... Doesn't mean God/Gods actually exists."

prove it, you don't have any evidence that god has not imbued us with these characteristics