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jason1637 said:
Biggerboat1 said:

1. Phone batteries last nowhere near as long as batteries of 10-15 years ago. Are there reasonable factors that make this fact acceptable, yes. But according to your mentality, the reasons shouldn't be looked at. Batteries should last as long as they did in the past, just because I demand it to be so. Do you see how removing the nuance reduces the debate to irrelevance?

So you don't think there's a correlation between number of incarcerated and number of arrests?

2. Again, it's not a simple case of a) doing your job or b) not doing your job - we don't live in a world of simple binaries like that. But I'm done discussing this point, in fact, it's not really a discussion, you are simply repeating the same rudimentary over-simplifications over and over.

3. The thing is Jason, something is not dumb or bad just because you deem it to be so. You make these statements as if they are universal truths when in reality they are just 1 young man's opinions. I, and others have given examples of 1st hand experiences of dealing with real suffering and torment which have influenced our stance on the topic of euthanasia. You on the other hand stick stubbornly to your position of 'life is precious regardless' without seemingly having any real-world experience to draw on...

1. Dude there is a big difference between a phone battery and the police force doing their job. First companies know that people want more battery life so we see newer phones having more of that compared to the predecessor that came out a year ago. Second if you have options when it comes to phones. If you want a better camera, or/and a better battery there are phones that exceed in these areas. Lastly the police department are publicly funded so we the people are funding and paying them to do their job. Me expecting them to protect people during protests makes sense because were the ones paying them to. If you had a maid and they didnt clean a room in your house you're not going to go "aww man that sucks but I shouldnt expect you to do that".

Well there is a correlation but it's not really fair when you take into account the war on drugs, and that our criminal justice system is unfair towards minorities.

2. I'm not saying that they're not doing their jobs. I'm just trying to say that they are failing at certain aspects of their obs that they should not be at this point. These incidents have happened on numerous occasions and the police aren't better prepared to handle them now than they were years ago. Do you not see a problem with that?

3. I never claimed that my opinions on euthanasia were universal. Some people support it and some don't. You don't need real world experience to form an opinion on something. 

1. Ok, let's end this point here. I was merely using the phone battery comparison as a way to express that when you only look at the headline 'batteries last less time than they used to therefore phone companies are incompetent' or 'police fail to man protests therefore are incompetent', without looking at the underlying factors then you're simplifying the debate to the point of irrelevance. You either don't understand what I'm trying to say or don't want to.

2. Yes, but why are they, by your definition, 'failing'? The reasons will likely be complex and the assumption that it's due primarily to incompetence is really just a shot in the dark on your part.

3. 'I never claimed that my opinions on euthanasia were universal' - well, they read like you're listing established facts.

'You don't need real world experience to form an opinion on something.' - no you don't, but those opinions are likely to be less well informed as a consequence. I've watched a bunch of war films and documentaries and feel I understand the basic mechanics but if I wanted to form an opinion on, say, what level of mental health funding veterans should get, my first port of call would be to listen to soldiers experiences and those in the metal health field who work with them. I don't have direct knowledge or experience so I'll listen to those that do.

Machiavellian has already stated that he knows multiple policemen, all of who are honest & hard-working. Do you know any policemen, and if so, are they incompetent? I'm not saying you have to base your entire opinion on his experience but that anecdotal evidence is at least... evidence... What are you basing your opinion on? Assumptions & lazy-thinking is my guess... I suggest you leave your gut-led opinion bunker and actually allow yourself to absorb the experiences of others, in scenarios when you yourself have little or none to draw on...