What is Gender?

[o_O.Q]

SpokenTruth said:

o_O.Q said:

"You seem to be mistaking gender identity with gender expression."

1). for this context they are one and the same, because obviously the people around you can't perceive what is going on inside your head unless you express it right? or do you live on a remote island populated by psychics?

"Your unicorn example doesn't work because how does one feel like a unicorn?"

2). the same way this woman can feel like a cat in a woman's body?

https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/item/22435-woman-says-she-s-a-cat-trapped-in-human-body-gender-identity-unknown

so you think she's crazy?

how does one feel like a female when they are in a male's body?

"To go back to my math analogy"

3). doesn't apply because you don't believe that biology has a place in discussion about gender, unless i'm wrong?

"Just recognize you are intentionally making a mockery out of people's legitimate psychological feelings and emotions"

4). i'm not, its a clarifying question because as i've said if biology is not where the differentiation is being made and instead we rely on what people identify as then this presents what i would think should be obvious problems

beyond that this is not an argument feelings do not determine reality, so why would someone's feelings matter in a discussion about reality? do you cut religious people this kind of slack?

1). No, they are not the same. Why is this so hard for you to understand?  And yes, that is exactly the purpose for having a gender expression...so that it broadcasts to others what gender they wish to present as.

2). Trans-speciesism is a fetish.  Not a gender issue.  Do you get the difference or will I need to explain this too?

3). Biology deals with the sex of a person.  Gender is a psychology function. 

4). Oh, yes you are. Especially given we've all had these clarifying discussions with you several times.  Your claims that you can just feel like a unicorn (a non-existent, non-human fabrication) is a direct insult to the actual, real psychological gender associations that people feel.

And I have no idea what you're trying to say in your last paragraph.

"No, they are not the same. Why is this so hard for you to understand?  And yes, that is exactly the purpose for having a gender expression...so that it broadcasts to others what gender they wish to present as."

all we can perceive as non-psychics is someone's expression of what they feel inside which obviously means that its the only thing relevant to the discussion

"Trans-speciesism is a fetish.  Not a gender issue."

you are the one defining gender as what someone feels they are on the inside not me

"Gender identity is the psychological self. What you feel.

Gender expression is the presentation of your gender.  Clothes are simply a part of that."

if someone feels like a cat why can't that be their gender? if someone feels like a unicorn(a white horse with a horn) why can't that be their gender?

"Gender is a psychology function."

and you don't think physiology and psychology are linked?

"Your claims that you can just feel like a unicorn"

I never said that I personally feel like a unicorn, I said that if 

"Gender identity is the psychological self. What you feel."

then why can't a person feel like a unicorn or a cat or a donkey or whatever and identify as whatever? these situations exist are you not aware of that?

"And I have no idea what you're trying to say in your last paragraph."

ok lets take incels as an example, they feel for various reasons like all women are "whores" and as a result they have great disdain for women

but to reasonable people this is not reality we understand that they have warped perceptions and as a result their emotions do not reflect material reality

the fact that someone feels a certain way does not have any bearing on what reality actually is, its wholly irrelevant to this discussion