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colafitte on 21 May 2019
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MasonADC said:
colafitte said:

To be precise i said 15M at full price, not 10M but if you ask. Spiderman last year was really close. And what i meant is that you are saying Switch still has games to come that can sell 10+ or 15+ M sold and i tell PS4 it's the same, so what's the point in saying that then?

What an excuse using install base to say that Switch has an disadvantage...I expect all you saying this same thing in 2019 saying that the next Mario 3D, the next Zelda 3D, selling worse then being a complete failure in a few years because Switch will be twice the install base then.....We'll see what you say then, because name me a sequel or next game in the franchise in the same console that sold better than the previous one in Nintendo history. Again, if you can find it, please name it.

Since 2012 when WiiU started, Nintendo has had the next home console games reaching 10M or more:

- Mario Kart 8 WiiU + Mario Kart 8 DX Switch = around 20-25M shipped at the moment

- Super Mario Odyssey = around 15M shipped

- The Legend of Zelda WiiU+Switch = 14-15M shipped

- Super Smash Bros Ultimate = around 14M shipped

- Pokemon Let's Go = around 11M shipped

So i count 5 games.

Already launched games candidates to reach 10M+ in the future: Splatoon 2 with around 9M shipped, maybe Super Mario Party 

Announced games yet to launch candidates to reach 10M+ in the future: Pokemon Sword&Shield, Animal Crossing, maybe Super Mario Maker 2

If i count those you can add 3, 4, maybe 5 games in the next 2 years possibly.

Now compare to Sony since 2012:

- The Last of Us PS3+PS4 = 20M sold

- Uncharted 4 = 16M sold

- God of War = 11M sold

- Horizon Zero Dawn = more than 10M sold

- Spider-Man = probably close to 11-12M sold at least (9M sold before December last year)

That's 5 games too.

Already launched games candidates to reach 10M+ in the future: Gran Turismo Sport 7'5M players, probably more than 6M sold (but if you don't want to count this, it's fair), Days Gone (recently launched but it's doing Horizon Zero Dawn numbers at launch)

Announced games yet to launch candidates to reach 10M+ in the future: The Last of Us Part II, Ghosts of Tsushima, maybe Death Stranding.

So maybe 3 o 4 more games in the next years coming to that milestone too.

So...., how is Sony studios not reaching Nintendo levels this last gen?? To me, the people saying no are just in denial mode....

I wasn't trying to say anything about install bases, I meant that using the fact that the Switch is bascially tied with 10 million sellers with ps4 is a positive for switch. One is much older than the other, and its clear to see that first party 10 million sellers will be in favor of switch. Couple this with games like MK8 and Smash topping out at 20 million+, I see that sony is making their way, but haven't reached it yet. Sony is done with big first party annocuments on ps4, but Nintendo isn't. This will make the gap grow even bigger. However, I expect Sony to reach even closer next gen with first parties firing on all cylinders at the start of the gen instead of later 

It is indeed, not denying that. The fact that Switch started with such an amazing lineup in its first 2 years of life is super impressive.

MK8 is already ahead of 20M, like TLOU is too, but i don't see as a guarantee Smash topping 20M, not more than uncharted 4 or Spiderman doing the same. I don't agree that they haven't reach that point yet, as i showed in that post earlier. Both companies have 5 games that have sold 10M or more, and both have 1 game thas has sold 20M or more.

But this was not a PS4 vs Switch, it's Sony vs Nintendo. PS4 ending soon doesn't matter. in a few years Horizon 2, God of War 2, Spiderman 2 will come and they will sell great, even better, in whatever the console they launch. The point of all this was that during PS3, i mean, 2007-2010 nobody expected a Sony Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, Guerrilla Game game to sell close to a Mario 3D, but today, if GOW 2 and Super Mario Odyssey 2 were announced to launch in 2020 there will be discussions about which game would sell the most. Just for that, saying that Sony is "entering Nintendo levels" is just a way to say that now Sony, can compete with Nintendo, even if it still "loses" in the end.