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the-pi-guy said:
o_O.Q said:

therefore, you believe america should have completely open borders?

i didn't say i want these people to die, i'm asking you for your position on this issue

Personally, I think in a perfect world, open borders is the only kind of border that makes sense.  

Seeing as we don't live in a perfect world, our borders should be as open or closed as they need to be.  

No one is concerned about the US Canada border, it's not an "open border" where people are free to come and go as they please, but it also doesn't have a fence or a military presence.  

The only reason people are coming from the southern border is because a lot of those countries have issues so the people have a lot of incentive to come here particularly to find assylum. 

If the question is whether we should build a wall, I'd prefer a more costly offering that would a.) actually benefit everyone involved, and b.) is more likely to work.  

If we can improve the lives of people where they are living, they have less incentive to come here.  

But either way, the impact a policy has on people shouldn't be worse than what a policy is supposed to be doing.  

People shouldn't be dying, because we want to keep them out of the country.  There's plenty of more humane options, even if you definitely don't want anyone coming into the country.  

"Personally, I think in a perfect world, open borders is the only kind of border that makes sense.  "

what about cases where cultures are incompatible?

the us has a vastly different culture to areas in the middle east for example( this is not a value judgement just a fact )

or in this perfect world does everyone all have the same culture, beliefs etc?

"If we can improve the lives of people where they are living, they have less incentive to come here.  "

the us spends more than any other country on foreign aid as far as i know

the real problem i believe is the government has too much power and so has been allowed for decades to destabalise various regions across the world, which obviously leads to refugees

the people of the us have been negligent and so they will pay the price

"People shouldn't be dying, because we want to keep them out of the country."

if illegal aliens en masse decide to go on hunger strike because they are not being allowed in, does that mean they should automatically be allowed in ?