Brexit

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JRPGfan said:

There really isnt today, most of is done in Trading Blocs.
EU, EFTA,EEU (euro-asia).... then Caricom (carribean countries), AU (african union), USAN (south america),  NAFTA (north american), ect.

Alot of places dont do trade deals on a country by country bases anymore.
Chooseing not to trade with america at all, because you cant accept the things they ll force you to accept, will mean you ll have to go other places (which might not be as intrested in british products).

First, trading blocs =/= customs union so EFTA and especially NAFTA do not prevent those signatory countries from making trade deals with other countries ... 

Second, the AU and USAN are solely political unions and nothing more but the latter is pretty dead since most members have withdrawn from the organization ...

Third, this just leaves Caricom which doesn't have a whole lot of negotiating power (by which the UK alone is at least 20x bigger in market size) and the EAEU that consists of former satellite Russian states like Belarus ... 

Trade deals can still pretty much be done on an individual basis because either a customs union doesn't have a lot of clout or a country is not in a customs union. Despite the EU being the 2nd biggest single market economy, it does not guarantee the bloc a stronger bargaining power because what matters most in leverage is a strategic monopoly so the EU is pretty much forced to buy valuable digital electronics from small players such as Taiwan, South Korea or Japan and they can practically name whatever price they want unless the EU is willing to take a hit in productivity if they change their geopolitical interest to have an independent high-end technology sector! Heck, the EU is not gonna put sanctions on natural gas imports from Russia anytime soon since they have very few options for suppliers ... 

JRPGfan said:

Lets purposefully restart the bombings and killings in our own country again! What a great idea!
Im sure everyone will be lineing up to thank Theresa May.
Also the "blame" for such a thing wouldnt be the EU..... it would be England breaking the "Good Friday agreement",
when they choose to leave the EU without a plan or be willing to be part of a common market.

@Bold At least the DUP definitely will ...

Wouldn't be either EU or the UK's fault in case of no deal. Up to Ireland since both of them aren't interested in a hard Irish border and it's totally Ireland's obligation to meet either the single market regulations or the Good Friday Agreement. The Good Friday Agreement NEVER stipulated that Northern Ireland must be in a customs union so let's get rid of the myth that it's the UK who's the one breaking the Good Friday Agreement because that's not how bilateral international treaties work ... 

JRPGfan said:

"Why doesnt the EU countries just BEND over backwards for us, so leaveing isnt a issue, and doesnt start any trouble in the UK" (me paraphraseing)

Wow..... you realise other countries have self intrests too right? and the entire world doesnt revolve around the UK.
End customs union, freedom of movement, ect just to suit the UK? why?

Who gives a shit about the other countries interests ? What's good for the other members states is not necessarily good for the UK ... 

Sometimes compromise is not acceptable so that just means that both the EU and the UK go on their own separate ways. If the EU are only interested in being ideologically pure to promote neoliberalism then the likes of France, Germany, and the others had better be prepared to take the chance at wrecking their own nation in the process to make FoM or the SM succeed instead of placing risks on an unwilling participant (UK) ...  

The UK would not be in this fucking disaster of a mess had it not been for Tony Blair inflicting austerity on older people but I guess it's gotta be this way because the british public decided that the price of EU membership/SM is not worth the added +2M extra lives to provide for ... 

It's ironic how what the EU embraced (open borders) is going to end up becoming their anathema when the main continent is all of a sudden going to find themselves with another +2M lives along with the possibility of the SM being undermined by a backdoor LEL ... 

JRPGfan said:

You believe in rainbows & unicorns too I see :)
Hogwash, just leaveing the EU common market alone is a bigger hit economically than whatever member fee, you guys are paying.
Things will at best probably be end up being much the same.

Hopeing that leaveing magically saves the UK and gives jobs to the older UK citizens..
Those polish (eksample) workers that work on like farms ect, you think most UK citizens are jealous of them? and want to be underpaid and do farm jobs?
The reason the polish people are doing it, is because their okay with hard laber and low wages, most UK citizens wont do that work for that pay.
Once they leave, if those jobs go back to UK citizens, prices of farm products will rise.

Riseing prices on farm products, ontop of loseing "eu farming subsidies" (eu pays farmers), will mean the UK farming industry will not be nearly as competitive as it was before. Next thing that happends? the UK starts putting up trade barriers to "protect" its farming industry.  This "we want free trade" you brits are shouting now, will be long forgotten and gone soon too I suspect.

It's not just the member fee, the bill includes jobs and pensions for EU migrants as well which will easily balloon into hundreds of billions of pounds ... 

The working class UK citizens are definitely jealous because like it or not they do want these jobs! They want to be able to earn and live a half decent life as well if it means less than ideal labour. You underestimate just how exactly desperate the lower classes are ... 

It's not ALL about the middle class like you keep thinking! The working class and the middle classes interests have become divided ... 

Immigration had very little effect on depressing the wages so local minimum wage laws very clearly still applies to them. CAP doesn't benefit the British farmers and in fact currently gives them a yearly deficit of of 1B euros so who gives a fuck if the UK aren't going to receive yearly subsidies (more like bills) ? The UK isn't competitive because they are stuck footing the other member's bills despite the fact that they keep banning the most competitive methods to agriculture like GM foods, chlorinated chicken, and hormone treated beef ... 

Europe's disaster policies just give their citizens less to eat and less energy to use in general compared to the Americans ...