Active shooter situation reported in Christchurch, New Zealand

[o_O.Q]

HylianSwordsman said:

o_O.Q said:

"A religion is not its holy book."

it has to be otherwise what is there to separate you from the muslims for example since you both believe in god?

It's beliefs? Like, independent of the holy book? For example, Christians believe in the Trinity and the divinity of Christ. Every copy of the Bible and Quran could disappear and that would still be true.

"That's not how implying works lol,"

ok show me where i implied that i didn't remember her doing that

Yeah you continue to make me think you don't know how implying works, so I won't waste my time.

"And you can change their minds."

and then they cease holding those values and you redirect your attention to the others who do

this is why candace did not talk about middle eastern people, she specified muslims - people who hold certain values

Agreed. However, I don't think Candace's tweet accomplishes that. She specifies Muslims, yes, but there's not much substance there that's actually critical of the specific values, just the people in general.

"Oh it definitely happens in other cultures, but it gets justified by different values each time."

justified?

Yep. Not in an absolute sense, obviously, but in an "this is what they used to try to justify it in this case" kind of way.

"And each time, to solve the problem, examination of those values needs to happen."

what problem?

women are freely choosing the mates they want to have, why would that ever be a problem?

Not necessarily that, just any problem caused by a societies values. But as to why it might be a problem, it becomes a problem if the society struggles as a result of a cultural trend within it, with Japan's demographic problems just being one example.

" it just would need to have a constitution that gave the same rights as ours and with similar checks and balances."

so a constitutional republic... which is what exists now

Nope. Because it wouldn't have representatives, but be a direct democracy.

" A simple majority of the population shouldn't be able to decide certain things, like rights. "

but this is what democracy is

Nope.

"Having constitutionally guaranteed rights that require high hurdles to overcome in order to make constitutional changes "

this is not democracy

Yeah it is.

"in doing so endanger themselves in the future by setting dangerous precedents."

like what? give me an example

why would the majority of people in a country vote for policies that ultimately harm them in the long run?

Emotions. Probably fear specifically. That's usually why people vote to harm themselves in the long run. Example? Well imagine if they voted to make what Candace did illegal (aka, if they make it illegal to express her opinion if someone uses it as reason to do something else illegal), and to make it legal to lay the blame on her for the massacre? Hence why you'd have a constitution that prevented them from acting on emotion without thinking out the consequences.

"you are just concerned about the potential consequences to free speech if people were to be penalized for what they said if even a loose connection to another person's violence could be made. Right?"

free speech means people should be able to freely discuss ideas outside of calls for violence

it is how people think - by exchanging and weighing ideas, the minute you start messing with that then you are setting up a situation where you'll breed stupidity

Sounds like I understood you correctly then.

" For example, Christians believe in the Trinity"...

...because of the bible or in other words the holy book

as is the case with all of the beliefs

 

"Yeah you continue to make me think you don't know how implying works, so I won't waste my time."

making assertions is easy... but backing them up? well that's something else entirely

 

"She specifies Muslims, yes, but there's not much substance there that's actually critical of the specific values"

you expected an essay on twitter where communication is restricted to 140 characters?

 

"Yep. Not in an absolute sense, obviously, but in an "this is what they used to try to justify it in this case" kind of way."

i've never seen women talk about their preferences for men with money and say "well my culture told me to get a rich guy so i did"

if anything its the opposite where in some cases women pretend to be with a guy for something more than his money because they fear shame from people labeling them as gold diggers or shallow

 

"Not necessarily that, just any problem caused by a societies values."

i've said it before and i'll say it again if you're only ready to accept that this is caused by socialisation(which seems to be the case) you're in for a lot of disappointment

 

", it becomes a problem if the society struggles as a result of a cultural trend within it, with Japan's demographic problems just being one example."

if japan collapses as a country to ensure women's rights then i think its a worthy sacrifice

imo women's rights are more important than japan

 

"Nope. Because it wouldn't have representatives, but be a direct democracy."

and how does this work exactly? 300 million people vote on every single bit of legislation? 

you then go on to demonstrate imo that you don't understand what democracy is and i'm not bothering to go there with you, the information is there for you to access if you want 

but disregarding that what then do you call a political system where the majority choose what policies are put into place? you are claiming its not democracy so what it is then?

 

"Emotions. Probably fear specifically. That's usually why people vote to harm themselves in the long run. Example? Well imagine if they voted to make what Candace did illegal (aka, if they make it illegal to express her opinion if someone uses it as reason to do something else illegal), and to make it legal to lay the blame on her for the massacre? Hence why you'd have a constitution that prevented them from acting on emotion without thinking out the consequences."

if you took away the element of fear from voting, i expect voting patterns would change entirely, i don't think you are acknowledging how big of an effect it has already