Sony first Party games sales, A huge leap from PS3 era. ( Entered Ninty Level ) Update: GOW at 10m & Uncharted 4 16M

[DonFerrari]

pikashoe said:

DonFerrari said:

You should avoid calling others lying.

Prices doesn't matter because only Nintendo keeps their price, and instead of being criticized by it get applauded by the fanbase, figures.

The point on the Last of Us was that it shouldn't count as 10M seller on PS4 because it released on PS3. So if at the time Sony announced 17M TLOU it had sold little more than 7M it is all but certain it crossed 10M on PS4 by now. So it count as 10M seller. Also if someone have gone and bought 2 times or more a game that just shows the game is considered great as no one would double dip on something he didn't like. Every company would make double or triple dips if they could.

Should we also just count the first year of sale because some people double dip on GOTY editions and the like?

You claimed everyone you know bought it twice, so if you say he is lying for none of his friends buying it then you should look at yourself lying as well.

He is from Brazil, and it is very uncommon for people here to even buy many games, much less double dip. Also along the very small subset of doubledippers I would say even less would keep both copies instead of reselling it.

More or less. Several of the 3rd party exclusives after becoming MP had majority of the userbase still under Sony, just look at sales. Also PD, SSM, ND and Japan Studio were already around before MS was doing anything noteworthy with 3rd parties.

The success of exclusives on PS4 have more to do with Sony reducing the output (in PS3 they claimed from 10 games 6 would lose money, 2 break even and just 2 sell really well).

You may say you aren't trying to downplay Sony success this gen on the SW, but it certainly looks just like it.

Price matters because you are comparing Sony and Nintendo game sales. If you are going to say they have entered Nintendo level sales than, they either need to start selling a lot more than they are or maintain these sales at a higher price point. Also who applauds Nintendo for not reducing prices, it's a very common complaint.

I didn't mean that 10 million didn't count I meant that 17 million didn't count. I probably should have worded that better. The goty point is just silly, that's just an incredibly tiny fraction that do that. 

I never claimed everyone I know double dipped I said most people I know that had it on ps3 got it again on ps4. I wouldn't say that because I just bought the game once on ps4. To quote you "you should avoid calling others liars".

The Brazil point makes sense. Although I did mention that it is more common in the US and Europe Sony's 2 largest markets.

Ok, i never said games that became multiplat didn't sell better on ps3. I never said those developers werent around and i never said that Sony didn't make 1st party content in the past. I said the larger focus on 1st party content since ps3 has paid off this gen.

I'm not trying to downplay Sony's 1st party sales, they just aren't at Nintendo levels yet. I've bought all of the games listed in the op. I enjoy most of Sony 1st party content and hope they continue to grow. I'll quote you again "you should avoid calling others liars"

Yes I'll be sure to remember to put tangent points when anyone talk good of Nintendo. Nintendo is the odd man out on SW pricing. And there are companies that sell much more than Nintendo and Sony but on fewer number of titles. Also most of the sales happen on the first couple months, so not affected by pricing. From the number of posts you have you seem to participate very little on threads. There have been more defense for Nintendo pricing than complain as have been more defense for they going for lower power and simpler graphics. There is seemly a majority of Nintendo fanbase in VGC and mostly supporting more than criticizing. Even on the points that are blatantly criticizable.

You have no way to demonstrate how many double dip on GOTY or remaster so it is pointless. And he have conceeded from the beggining that TLOU probably wouldn't sell 17M without being in 2 systems. But the major point was before and regarded it not being acceptable as a 10M on PS4.

I haven't said you are a liar, just that you claiming he was lying when you made an equivalent opposite post. How much percentage of your friends make for ALMOST EVERYONE?

You mentioned after claiming he was a liar and he having to say he isn't, like twice.

Not sure why you are putting twice the avoid calling other liars as I didn't say you are a liar a single time. What are you trying to imply here?