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MrWayne on 18 February 2019
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Bofferbrauer2 said:
MrWayne said:

I heavily disagree with you last sentence. In 2018 roughly every fourth refugee worked in a "sozialversicherungspflichtigen"(social insurance requiring?) job which means the refugees a probably a net loss for the german state, I would go even further and say the the overall contribution of the refugees to the german economy is very little because the money the german state spends on refugees could be used a lot more efficiently if invested differently.

But all those things I stated above aren't that dramatic because we speak about refugees, they're here because they aren't safe in their own country and not because they contribute so much to the german economy.

Asylum is a terrible tool to combat the lack of skilled workforce and it was never intended to be one,  it's heavily beneficial for criminal structures and refugees have a huge initial cost before they can contribute to the economy.

What we should do instead is a) make a immigration law ,similar to those in Canada and the US, for skilled workers from non EU countries who can immediately partake in the german job market. b) We have to be more welcoming to those immigrants, I recently read about a Study who asked immigrants in different countries about their work and life and those in germany said the the working conditions are very good but they don't feel particualary welcomed in germany.
c) germany has on of the lowest fertility rate world wide, we have to make germany more family friendly. Financial security is very important if you plan to become a baby so we need harder restrictions for time employment and a better security net if you fall out of employment,  The possibility to work only 90% or 80% if you have little kids, etc

@bolded: You got a link for that?

Also, I said immigrants, not refugees. Though of course tons of these came with the immigrants during the heights of the Syrian, Irak and Lybian wars.

a) Germany already has this

b) I think that's true more or less for every country, especially on first contact with foreigners. Best advice would be imo to get those people of different culture to interact with each other to destroy the fears and prejudices on both sides.

c) Which is also one of the reasons why there are shortages in manufacturing jobs. In fact, the politicians are trying for decades to get German families to have more kids, why do you think they are pushing the KITAs so hard for instance? It's because they can't go out and say "fuck more, you're dying out! And without children we can't guarantee the pensions anymore."; that would be political suicide. So they're trying to incentivise the families to have more children, with Kitas (so they don't have to take care of them all the time), Familiengeld, and so on. Problem is that it's not really working. Germans (and much of eastern Europe) seem to become more and more DINKs

https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/fluechtling-arbeitsmarkt-103.html

I thought you were talking about those people who came in 2015/2016 during the refugee crisis since you mentioned Merkel and her decision. Obviously not all of them got the refugee status in germany but all of them were asylum seekers.

a) So far there were only a immigration system for non EU academics but very recently a new immigration law was passed, i haven't looked into it but maybe our government already solved that problem.

b)But Germany does significantly worse than other countries

https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/studie-auslaendische-fachkraefte-finden-deutsche-oft.680.de.html?dram:article_id=427415

c) I know that they already tried many different things but as you said, they dont work all that well but it's also not a lost case, look at France, they have a  fertility rate of 2.0.