| MrWayne said: Aren't you aware how crazy the things you say sound? And why? In order to damp Ireland in smuggle ware, to either force Ireland out of the single market or to let them break the GFA. seriously what did the Irish do to you, why are you so angry at them? |
It really isn't, the UK should use every advantage it has in it's arsenal. The UK should use it's new found sovereignty to wreck both the EU and Ireland in the process in the case of a no deal ... 
In the event of a no deal exit, Britain isn't legally compelled by the EU or Ireland to have it's own goods checked so they will use their only backdoor (Irish border) if they must to access the single market ... (the EU had better be prepared because the UK will be to make sure it's member states go into default)
As for the working class they'll be fine as long as the backdoor remains open so that they'll sell the cheap goods coming into the UK for a very high markup in the EU since the EU member states can't competitively import these goods at lower rates either because of high tariffs or regulations so they are going to give the EU a taste of their own globalist medicine. In a way, I guess Brexiteers were right that the UK will be like Singapore ... 
The EU either has to cut off it's own hand (UK) or it's entire arm (Ireland) too if it get's infected (no Irish border), HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... 
| Bofferbrauer2 said: Again, what's with all that smuggling nonsense? Also, not wanting a hard border is becasuse of the Troubles potentially resparking in Northern Ireland and has nothing directly to do with Ireland proper, but the unionists and the nationalists And, like I said, if a hard Brexit comes, and it's on the best way to get there really, border controls will happen there no matter what. It's actually required under WTO rules. |
It has EVERYTHING to do with Ireland if it wants to keep reunification on the table with Northern Ireland. It is because of the nationalist forces in Northern Ireland that Ireland itself has a stake in it all ...
As for the WTO, article 21 states that an exemption can be made for reasons such as national security so the UK can make a strong legal case that it doesn't have to put up a border on their side if they don't want to. The WTO has tons of holes in it and they don't specifically say that a nation needs to police it's border, it just doesn't have to discriminate other nations if it has no trade deals ...
I agree that a border might be required but this time it's the EU or Ireland that has to draw the line because the UK clearly won't ...
| Bofferbrauer2 said: 1. What bullshit are you blabbering there? The UK will, after a hard Brexit, only be able to import through WTO rules. And that means anybody whom the UK wants to import their goods from has a say about it. In fact, it's possible that the UK won't be able to import at all at first as the WTO schedules (the rules by which a country trades) need to be agreed upon by all WTO members, so until there's an agreement there it's possible no trade is possible (though I expect that those who agree on it will go by the schedules, which are the schedules the EU is using for the countries the EU has no trade agreement - all 12 (soon 13) of them. Importing unilaterally is impossible due to WTO's non-discriminatory rules: If the UK doesn't want to control the goods coming in from Ireland, than they can't control the other borders either as everybody under WTO rules needs to be treated equally. Oh, and every market is somewhat protectionist, every single country has tariffs. In fact, by comparison the tariffs of the EU are rather low and since 2015 tariff barriers on (non-GMO) food had been successively reduced 3. Again, what are you talking about smuggling all the time? Also, keep in mind that the EU is a net exporter as a whole, but the UK is a net importer (especially on food, but by far not the only commodity the UK is importing en masse), so it's rather up to the UK to be concerned about smuggling. But look again what I wrote above about the barriers... Also, what about article 7? Just to quote: Article 7 of the Treaty on European Union is a procedure in the treaties of the European Union (EU) to suspend certain rights from a member state. While rights can be suspended, there is no mechanism to expel a member so what's you (moot) point anyway? Yes, a hard border can be avoided by Ireland by leaving the EU and getting back under the UK thumb. But guess what: That's just what they are avoiding for 100 years now. So, again, moot. Oh, and about the reunification: I'd rather say the UK can soon kiss the UK goodbye, as I don't think the Scots or the Norther Eire (who both vote remain I might add) will want to stay in the UK any much longer, especially not with all the problems a no-deal poses on the population. |
1. The UK can abuse a loophole (having it's own import controls) with a backdoor being available (no Irish border) which means far cheaper goods entering inside the EU and they can use article 21 as their defense ...
3. I talk about smuggling because it's an absolutely important issue and the EU seems to think so too because quite a few of it's member states are afraid as fuck that their economy isn't all that competitive in the global market so they have to resort to putting tariffs or most importantly high regulations on imports. Think about it for a moment what will happen to the EU's agriculture sector if the UK is able to sell cheaper produce to EU consumers ? It's specifically because the EU has a trade surplus with the UK that they should be worried most about smuggling since the UK won't have to buy overpriced European crap and the fact that they can undercut European producers by reselling those imported goods which means that the EU could very well see a trade deficit with the UK instead all the while not being an EU member! (the EU seems to understand this risk unlike you) The UK will be fine with smuggling from the EU since it had to prop up their less productive economy for a while so they aren't going to buy the EU's overpriced crap but the EU on the other hand is going to face a shitstorm if Ireland allows cheap UK imports into it's own market. With Article 7, the EU could in theory suspend Ireland's right to participate in the single market and customs union ...
@Bold I didn't imply that so that's just a straw man on your part. Ireland will be forced out of the single market and customs because I doubt the EU will tolerate smuggling from the UK ...
As for your last sentence, the likewise applies to Ireland with the EU SM/CU so why would Northern Ireland want to join a soon to be even poorer nation after no deal when the UK gives it a shit ton of subsidies ? Could Ireland afford Northern Ireland after no deal happens AND when they get the boot from the EU ?
| Pyro as Bill said: People seem to have forgotten that Ireland only joined the EU because the UK did. They've promised financial aid to Ireland. Unfortunately 80% tariffs on irish beef from the UK will cripple their farming industry. Ireland has completely misplayed their hand. They could have had re-unification and had someone to pay for it if that's what the Irish government truly wanted. |
The UK has no need to place tariffs (it can't anyways as per GFA) on Irish beef when it's overpriced in comparison to South American beef. Both the EU and Ireland will be screaming in agony after no deal once China and the others will come through the backdoor raping their "single market" in the process, LMFAO ...
"No deal" is an empty ass threat if they don't decide to amputate Ireland as well. If Britain's going to crash out it may as well take the EU market or Irish reunification as a collateral ...
