Brexit

[MrWayne]

fatslob-:O said:

MrWayne said:

1) It is a bit arrogant of you to say that I should inform myself more about German politics, especially when you apparently can't read your own sources properly.

"Just eight months ago, Mrs. Merkel stunned the opposition, environmental groups and anti-nuclear lobbies by pushing through measures to prolong the country’s use of nuclear power to 2033.

That decision — reversing a law passed by a previous government, which had planned to end nuclear power by 2021 — weakened support for her center-right coalition. But it increased the appeal of the opposition Greens. As a result, Mrs. Merkel’s conservative Christian Democrats were roundly defeated in a major regional election in March.

But then later in March, after the disaster at the Japanese nuclear power plant at Fukushima, Mrs. Merkel reversed herself and reset the phase out date for 2022."

2) It does not sound like you very informed about our president. The comparison is, again, nonsensical because he gets elected, monarchs don't. Also he can't just veto bills he doesn't like, it's no coincidence that it only happend eight times in the BRD history, only if he thinks the bill is unconsitutional he can veto it, also the parliament has options if he vetoes a bill, they can change the parts he said are unconstitutional, they can go to court to prove if the president is right or they can even go to court to impeach the president.

Speaking of constitutional errors: These non-binding referenda in the UK are one. Either doing it the right way like in Switzerland or not at all.

3) If the outcome is a no deal brexit, No.

I know that the second referendum has no majority in parliament but if things go on as they did in the the past 2-3 years the parliament will end up with only two options, no deal because they run out of time and second referendum because the EU will probably only grant more time if a second referendum happen.

a) Of course it's not solely on me to decide. Who do you think I am? I'm not planning to overthrow the british parliament to stop Brexit, neither have I the power to do that. I only stating my opinions and hope that there are enougth decent politicians in London who agree with me.

b) You don't engage with my arguments.

1) You only proved my point at the end ... 

"But then later in March, after the disaster at the Japanese nuclear power plant at Fukushima, Mrs. Merkel reversed herself and reset the phase out date for 2022." 

Angela Merkel ultimately flip-flopped on her decision at the end and it's not just German politics so you need to start substantiating your claims from now on for politics in general ... 

2) Your president (I assume it's the German one), does NOT even get DIRECTLY ELECTED by the people. Basically everything from their own inception to the end of their term is a part of a function from a republic ... 

There is no "right way" to hold referendums and Swiss model is just one of the models to hold a referendum ... 

3) Keeping EU membership is not an acceptable option either for the British people ...

Second referendum is not an option anymore according to the parliament. There's a bipartisan (both Conservatives and Labour of which are the two biggest parties) consensus against holding one and no question can be agreed on either ... 

a) @Bold So I assume that the politicians who want to carry out the mandate aren't decent then ? SMDH, talk about accusing a stranger on the internet being conceited ... 

b) BTW, changing the format doesn't make the answers more clearer than the first referendum. The original question was, "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" Both the options 'Leave' and 'Remain' were just as valid as both had clear outcomes ... 

The British people knew very well what they were doing when they were crossing off the 'Leave' box ... 

1) No I didn't prove your point. My point and why I brought this example up in the first place:

"it is a principle of democracy that results can be overturned by follow-up elections...Merkle overturned the decision to pull out of nuklear-elekticity when she came to power"

It's just a fact that she did that. she didn't reverse her decision because it was undemocratic but because nuclear power was and is not well received in german public and she didn't want to lose votes in the next election. It proves my point, politicians overthrow decision made by other politicians all the time and sometimes even their own.

What did you say in your last coment:

"Angela Merkel did NOT repeal Gerhard Schroeder's call for decommissioning nuclear power and in fact speed it up!"

She did repeal Schöder's bill, yeah she changed her mind later but that doesn't mean her first decision didn't happen. Merkels plan to decommission nuclear power is not faster, it's a hole year slower than the previous and on top of that her flip-flopping on the matter will cost the german state millions because the electric companies sued the state for the extra time Merkle promised.

2) What is your point? Why is it important that he isn't elected directly, our chancellor is also not directly elected.

The Swiss model is good, the UK model is the perfect negative example for direct democracy.

3) I would bet if tomorrow would be a second referendum with the options "no deal" or "stay in the EU", that the majority would vote for the EU.

a) politicians who will vote for no deal or let the no deal scenario happen aren't decent.

b) "clear results" this must be a joke, if the result of "leaving the European Union" was so clear, why is there such a chaos right now?

Last edited by MrWayne - on 26 January 2019