Hiku said:
thismeintiel said:
Then, you have either not been paying attention or are blinded by bias. It's telling that you guys have to go back to 2016 for those quotes, ones that many on the right denounced at the time, as well. Ever since becoming President he has only spouted the normal political rhetoric about his political opponents. The Dems, on the other hand, have been calling for civil unrest ever since they lost the Kavanaugh battle. Maxine Waters calling for mobs to surround Reps in public places and yell at them that they are not welcome there. Corey Booker telling Dems to get up into Reps faces. Eric Holder saying that when the Reps go low, "we kick them." Hillary saying there will only be a return to civility when they regain power. This all while making excuses for or completely ignoring violent groups like Antifa.
It doesn't help when the Dems are constantly calling Reps racist and sexists who hate minorities. Basically labeling them as pure evil. Bernie himself said that the Reps policies would lead to "thousands of people dying." Pretty extreme rhetoric that could easily trigger a crazy wanting to stop those "deaths." If you want to blame the right for the fake bombs wanting to scare Dems, then you have to blame Dems for a man trying to murder a couple dozen Rep Congressman and the man sending Ricin, something that absolutely would have hurt or killed its intended targets, to Reps just a couple weeks ago. Unless you are a complete hypocrite, of course.
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Surrounding politicians and yelling at them is not violence. Which is what we're discussing here.
As for "going back" to 2016, first of all, he got elected because of what he said on the campaign trail. You can't say that doesn't matter all of a sudden. And he doesn't get a free pass on everything he said during his presidential campaign.
Secondly, he's still promoting violence against his opponents to this day. Just a couple of days ago was the latest one, where he praised a violent assault on a reporter. He said "Any guy that can do a body slam, he is my type!", referencing Gianforte body slamming a reporter because he didn't like the questions he was asking.
And it's not just when he is direct about his preference for violence that is a problem. Saying that certain news media is "the enemy of the people" is an incredibly careless statement.
The difference again with Bernie's comment about Republican policies leading to thousands of deaths every year is that he didn't brand them as "the enemy of the people" or evil. Meaning they can be reasoned with, or that their intent is not to cause harm, in spite of the outcome. But it is something he has to draw attention to, that in every other developed nation on the planet, the number of deaths caused from not being able to afford healthcare is 0. Only in USA is that still a thing, and the number is between 40 000 - 45 000 every year.
As for "blaming the right for the fake bombs to scare Dems", where did you hear that they were fake?
FBI said that they were "not hoax devices”, calling them “IEDs,” or improvised explosive devices.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/fbi-package-bombs-not-hoax-devices
And I don't blame the right or Trump for what this man did. Because I don't know exactly what motivated him. It's possible he could have chosen to be violent even if Trump was a nice person and never said all those crazy things. I criticize Trump for recklessly endorsing violence that very well could directly encourage people to be more violent, like in this case. Or the guy who got arrested after threatening to shoot reporters while citing Trump's "enemy of the people" comment, etc.
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I don’t get your “the difference again” comment here. Yes, one is somewhat endorsing violence, the other is making them fear that harm would be done to them or their loved ones. One would incite an angry crazy person, the other would incite a paranoid crazy one. But in terms of them being able to incite violence from crazies, there is no difference. I would even argue that a person is more likely to hurt others protecting themselves or the ones love rather than just lashing out in anger, but that’s me. So I find your difference comment to be a bit arbitrary.
To be honest, I find the “blame Trump because his rhetoric endorses violence” angle to be absurd (this is not aimed at just you but to everyone here). The same way I find someone blaming Bernie for a paranoid crazy guy shooting up a baseball game to be absurd. This whole thing is absurd. Absurd logic brought forth by media on both sides to get their viewers riled up, glued to their screens and to set them against each other and to influence them to vote who they want. The same way I find video games causing kids to shoot up schools to be absurd or that Islam is to blame for terrorists killing ppl to be absurd. From what I’ve read in this thread, it is disheartening to see so many ppl buying into this circus. You are not responsible for what crazies do, the crazies are. They are responsible for what they do, no one else. It would be different if your words somehow manage to influence normal ppl to do crazy things. But I do not see that as the case here.
