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CosmicSex on 01 August 2018
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Aeolus451 said:
CosmicSex said:

The government has the ability to impose price control and it already does to a very great extent with Medicare.  There is no reason why we can't do it here.  There is no reason why we can't lower costs.  There is no reason why we can cut waste.  Europe isn't evil you know.  They do it to take care of their people.  There is always some motive with the folks who don't want people to get care or to save money.  That is the real evil holding us back.  Some people, especially conservatives in the US are programmed by politicians to think a certain way and its alarming how fast they bow down to them.   Liberals have similar issues but Conservatives have mastered the ability to get their followers to fight against their own self interest tooth and nail.   Libs aren't quite there yet. 

You're assuming that UHC is the absolute best way to go at any cost. That's still up in the air. So what if Americans don't buy into it? I never said anything about the EU being evil. It is on an authoritarian kick though and it has problems of its own. The only thing the US should adopt from there is the metric system, they can keep the rest. I'm not okay with paying alot higher taxes and ruining our advancement in med for something I rarely ever use. We already have a system we like and that works.

I would like to think that if you knew that I was personally effected by this that you would at least reconsider your stance.  Cost here in the states are preventing me from getting care that I need. I have insurance and a relatively good job.  And still my out of pocket is too high. With a program like UHC, I wouldn't be in pain now. 

The vast majority of countries in the world either have free health care or universal health care.  I will be damned if I let you trick me into thinking that my suffering is 'better' when the care I need is avaliable abroad.  Your perspective is creeping me out.  You make it about what you need right now without having the ability to see the bigger picture.   If you needed Health Care and couldn't afford it, would you then have a change of heart?

But I think the tides are turning and I will prove it by making you a promise.  In 20 years, if something should happen and you need medical care, you will get it here in the US without having to worry about costs because will will not stop fighting for you and each other.  UHC will be law mark my words.  People will look around and say "you know what we can do better and our neighbors are showing us a method that we might be able to make work for us".  We will continue to drive medical advancements and you will be able to afford it because the comparison you made is just a logical fallacy and not intrinsic to some threat presented by access to care. 

I would save you without a second thought.